Happy Birthday Untied Kingdom

[jeremyp]

Yes it is the anniversary of that day in our history when two great nations became one. Yes, we've had our ups and downs but nobody can doubt that we are all the better for it.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes it is the anniversary of that day in our history when two great nations became one. Yes, we've had our ups and downs but nobody can doubt that we are all the better for it.

Calling Dr Freud, Calling Dr Freud!

[jeremyp]

Calling Dr Freud, Calling Dr Freud!

Hmm, I don't think you can call an intentional mis-spelling a Freudian slip.

[Nearly Sane]

Hmm, I don't think you can call an intentional mis-spelling a Freudian slip.

My apologies. Too subtle

[jeremyp]

My apologies. Too subtle

Unless you were referring to something else.

Anyway, it is the anniversary of the Acts of Union so I shall raise a toast to the (possibly soon to be ex) country of my birth.

[Nearly Sane]

Unless you were referring to something else.

Anyway, it is the anniversary of the Acts of Union so I shall raise a toast to the (possibly soon to be ex) country of my birth.

No, my apologies were to you for not getting your sublety. What about NI, though?

[Anchorman]

Why celebrate an act created by treachery and bribery? Here's to the death of the union. Burns had the right of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2vRNlnsiBo

[Nearly Sane]

Who cares about that? Too long ago.

[Anchorman]

Who cares about that? Too long ago.

A nation is built from its character, culture and history.

[Nearly Sane]

A nation is built from its character, culture and history.

And the future is not about what happened. All of that is not a definition.

[Steve H]

Did you know that there were two kinds of Jacobitism in the early 18th Century? Strong Jacobitism wanted to replace the Hanoverians with the Stuarts throughout the United Kingdom, while weak Jacobitism wanted to restore the Stuarts in Scotland, but if England wanted to keep the Hanoverians, that was ok with tem - in other words, they wanted to re-separate the monarchies. Just thought I'd mention that.

[Rhiannon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03wqymf

[jeremyp]

A nation is built from its character, culture and history.

Scotland and England have both benefitted and grown as a result of the Union. It's a bit petty to put a few ancient political shenanigans ahead of that. After all, even Robert the Bruce wasn't above murdering his rivals.

[Anchorman]

And the future is not about what happened. All of that is not a definition.

I'd disagree....but Gaughan nails why in far better words than I could craft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pkCiSQjkDo

[Anchorman]

Did you know that there were two kinds of Jacobitism in the early 18th Century? Strong Jacobitism wanted to replace the Hanoverians with the Stuarts throughout the United Kingdom, while weak Jacobitism wanted to restore the Stuarts in Scotland, but if England wanted to keep the Hanoverians, that was ok with tem - in other words, they wanted to re-separate the monarchies. Just thought I'd mention that.

Jacobitism would never have worked in Scotland; the Stewarts were notorious in breaking the Covenant - which any Scots Parliament would have undoubtably made them sign.
The only real chance they had was the 1715 rising, under the aegis of James 'VIII', when elements of the dissenting 'praying societies' - the remnant of the Covenanters who would not join the Kirk - joined the Jacobite cause....Sherrifmuir saw the end of the affair.

[Steve H]

Apparently, there are still dedicated Jacobites, who regularly invite the current head of the line, a German aristicrat, to come to the UK and claim the throne. He as regularly politely declines. This bloke.

[ekim]

A nation is built from its character, culture and history.

... so is the ego.   Nationalism is egotism writ large and more often than not will act against 'Love thy neighbour as thy self'.

[Anchorman]

... so is the ego.   Nationalism is egotism writ large and more often than not will act against 'Love thy neighbour as thy self'.

Scottish Nationalis, is civic and internationalist in outlook, not ethnic.

[Rhiannon]

Scottish Nationalis, is civic and internationalist in outlook, not ethnic.

You’d never know it from some of the comments you make.

[Anchorman]

You’d never know it from some of the comments you make.

   


A person can be a proud patrot (regardless of what the scoundrel Johnston said) but be anti-Westminster, whilst not condemning any other nation making up this burach of a union.

[ekim]

Scottish Nationalis, is civic and internationalist in outlook, not ethnic.

.... so is the United Nations but I suspect that it is the 'inlook' rather than outlook that determines whether 'Love thy neighbour as thyself' is a viable option.

[Rhiannon]

   


A person can be a proud patrot (regardless of what the scoundrel Johnston said) but be anti-Westminster, whilst not condemning any other nation making up this burach of a union.

A proud patriot? How very Trumpian.

Brexit wouldn’t have happened without the very vocal rise in Scottish nationalism. Self interest leads to more self interest. And most Brexiters consider themselves to be ‘proud patriots’ too.

[Anchorman]

A proud patriot? How very Trumpian.

Brexit wouldn’t have happened without the very vocal rise in Scottish nationalism. Self interest leads to more self interest. And most Brexiters consider themselves to be ‘proud patriots’ too.

   

I welcome the stramash over Brexit. It causes disunity in the moribund corridors of power is fine by me.

[Rhiannon]

   

I welcome the stramash over Brexit. It causes disunity in the moribund corridors of power is fine by me.

And fucks up lives but hey, the ordinary people are just collateral damage. And the majority of the worst affected - for now at any rate - will be European who have tried to make lives here, not Scots, so why wouldn’t you welcome it?

[Harrowby Hall]

   
...  the scoundrel Johnston ...

"The noblest prospect which a Scotchman ever sees, is the high road that leads him to England!"