Trans rights: a perspective

[Aruntraveller]

On further thought and reading, his surgery and statements indicate that rather than being a transman he/she has converted themselves into a person that fits the categorisation "intersex".

[Nearly Sane]

On further thought and reading, his surgery and statements indicate that rather than being a transman he/she has converted themselves into a person that fits the categorisation "intersex".

I think people with differences in sexual development (DSD) as intersex is more accurately known would argue that it is not the case.

[Aruntraveller]

I think people with differences in sexual development (DSD) as intersex is more accurately known would argue that it is not the case.

Yes, maybe not. But I don't see how you can claim to be a man yet want to retain the functioning genitalia of a woman. Makes no sense to me. You've had surgery to remove your breasts. I think maybe I'm too old and set in my ways for this brave new world.

[Owlswing]

Yes, maybe not. But I don't see how you can claim to be a man yet want to retain the functioning genitalia of a woman. Makes no sense to me. You've had surgery to remove your breasts. I think maybe I'm too old and set in my ways for this brave new world.

Breasts can be taped down. To dress as a man and be in a stable relationship with a woman does and will make it easier for a lesbian couple to live openly together and make anti-lesbians less likely to twig what you are doing.

[Aruntraveller]

Breasts can be taped down. To dress as a man and be in a stable relationship with a woman does and will make it easier for a lesbian couple to live openly together and make anti-lesbians less likely to twig what you are doing.

Well possibly, but I'd hope there is less need for that in this day and age and that would still be two lesbians.

It is the claim that they are a trans man that I find confusing.

[Nearly Sane]

And more ffs!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8819877/Etsy-bans-sellers-heart-JK-Rowling-items-promoting-products-F-JK-Rowling-slogan.html?fbclid=IwAR1Js0fR9T1ZLrlu1QLk2-qf_g6_hfa0Svm9gUYTYg-9XP5lhnL1u6nL3gA

[Nearly Sane]

Good for World Rugby


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54491179

[Nearly Sane]

Good article


https://www.thearticle.com/a-non-binary-tomato-walks-in-to-a-bar?fbclid=IwAR2xTyOUKP0VDLE1PxpToGGkOU9e0n_7qds5Hb7H27oaSAntkYxMALG9dSM

[Nearly Sane]

And this


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-need-to-stand-up-for-rosie-duffield/amp?__twitter_impression=true

[Nearly Sane]

Ffs!


https://amp.thepostmillennial.com/woman-fired-by-restaurant-after-posting-support-for-jk-rowling-on-facebook/?__twitter_impression=true

[Robbie]

Dreadful. In real life I know no one who does not support JKR.

[Owlswing]

Dreadful. In real life, I know no one who does not support JKR.

Of course! Those attacking her and any who support her can only operate with anonymity! Well, most of them, anyway!

[Nearly Sane]

Good article


https://standpointmag.co.uk/sex-matters/

[Nearly Sane]

The Cambridge porter and the Clare students

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-trans-debate-could-cost-this-cambridge-porter-his-job/amp?__twitter_impression=true

[Nearly Sane]

Transcript of brilliant speech

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/men-know-what-a-woman-is-in-holbeck

[jeremyp]

The Cambridge porter and the Clare students

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-trans-debate-could-cost-this-cambridge-porter-his-job/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Hopefully his employers - the college - will tell them to fuck off.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Transcript of brilliant speech

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/men-know-what-a-woman-is-in-holbeck

Fantastic speech. So many great lines.

"our sex is what makes us a class, Our sex which makes us uniquely vulnerable to male violence. Our sex which means we bear the entire burden of reproductive labour. The structural oppression which women face as a class is because of their sex. And that is why all women need legal recourse to separate and sex-segregated spaces."

"If you cannot define women, then you cannot defend them."

"You cannot identify into an oppressed class because you cannot identify out of an oppressed class. And women are uniquely oppressed across the planet: reproductive health and autonomy, Female Genital Mutilation, violence, rape, child marriage, no right to vote, death in childbirth, post-natal illness, denied access to education, lower wages, chemical contraception, sex trafficking, surrogacy, pornography, prostitution and objectification."

Can totally relate to the bit about being bombarded with billboards, videos, magazines to tell me my body is wrong in order to persuade me to buy something to fix it. The women's fashion and beauty industry makes billions out of this and the environmentally unfriendly "junk" marketed to women suggesting  their lives would be oh so rosy and perfect if only they used this product or service to  hide or "fix" their outward appearance (even if it's often hidden under clothing) is nearly always so much more expensive than the equivalent male product...if there is an equivalent male product. Slight tangent but many young women have said this was the reason they rejected the minimal, tight, sexy fashion trends and felt more empowered by covering up as a kind of FU to the intrusiveness of other people's judgements, which objectify and sexualise their bodies, and the cultural manipulation by certain parts of the fashion industry - the Grammy award-winning, American, teenage, singer-songwriter, Billie Eilish, has sparked a new trend for oversized clothing for teen girls. Though I appreciate that many other women say they feel more empowered by wearing less clothes.   

[ippy]

Fantastic speech. So many great lines.

"our sex is what makes us a class, Our sex which makes us uniquely vulnerable to male violence. Our sex which means we bear the entire burden of reproductive labour. The structural oppression which women face as a class is because of their sex. And that is why all women need legal recourse to separate and sex-segregated spaces."

"If you cannot define women, then you cannot defend them."

"You cannot identify into an oppressed class because you cannot identify out of an oppressed class. And women are uniquely oppressed across the planet: reproductive health and autonomy, Female Genital Mutilation, violence, rape, child marriage, no right to vote, death in childbirth, post-natal illness, denied access to education, lower wages, chemical contraception, sex trafficking, surrogacy, pornography, prostitution and objectification."

Can totally relate to the bit about being bombarded with billboards, videos, magazines to tell me my body is wrong in order to persuade me to buy something to fix it. The women's fashion and beauty industry makes billions out of this and the environmentally unfriendly "junk" marketed to women suggesting  their lives would be oh so rosy and perfect if only they used this product or service to  hide or "fix" their outward appearance (even if it's often hidden under clothing) is nearly always so much more expensive than the equivalent male product...if there is an equivalent male product. Slight tangent but many young women have said this was the reason they rejected the minimal, tight, sexy fashion trends and felt more empowered by covering up as a kind of FU to the intrusiveness of other people's judgements, which objectify and sexualise their bodies, and the cultural manipulation by certain parts of the fashion industry - the Grammy award-winning, American, teenage, singer-songwriter, Billie Eilish, has sparked a new trend for oversized clothing for teen girls. Though I appreciate that many other women say they feel more empowered by wearing less clothes.

Like your post agree with every word, have a look at one of those forties or fifties films and try to not explode if you're female, the whole bit the way the men talk to the women and the general way they are treated, patronised and on and on, I often think how on earth did they get away with it?

The only slight critique of your post, could it be the disparity of expense on care products could be marked down to men being so damn good looking in the first place etc?

I've got my tin hat on ready.   

ippy.

P S Seriously V G, a good post.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Like your post agree with every word, have a look at one of those forties or fifties films and try to not explode if you're female, the whole bit the way the men talk to the women and the general way they are treated, patronised and on and on, I often think how on earth did they get away with it?

The only slight critique of your post, could it be the disparity of expense on care products could be marked down to men being so damn good looking in the first place etc?

I've got my tin hat on ready.   

ippy.

P S Seriously V G, a good post.

Hahaha - thanks Ippy. Actually, research apparently shows that especially after menopause women's skin ages faster than men's - apparently 3 times faster than men's after menopause. So women may develop significantly more wrinkles than a man the same age. Though lifestyle choices such as heavy drinking, smoking, sun exposure etc also affects the number of wrinkles on men and women. And the salt and pepper hair look is often described as distinguished when it comes to men but not so much in relation to women. So you're right that women offer businesses a more lucrative market to tap into because they are more affected by insecurities about appearance, the worship of youthfulness ..or as you put it, because men are so damn good-looking to begin with 

So something trans women will not experience due to their biology, which reinforces the need for biological sex-based provisions in certain issues. Anyone seeking to deny biological sex-based provisions to women is either misguided or a misogynist.

I actually enjoy 1940s and 1950s films - yes in many films the women look very glamourous and are often patronised by the men and scream or cry a lot and need protecting - after all how mobile can you be in high heels and a tight, restrictive dress, not to mention the biological, social and legal obstacles to self-sufficiency. A few exceptions to this in 1950s films where the female character is portrayed as self-reliant and heroic. Again, this means that men can only identify as women on a very superficial level when they have not experienced any of the biological, social or legal obstacles. But I think the male characters in many of these films often come across as pretty stupid too - some exceptions off the top of my head are roles played by Gregory Peck and Sidney Poitier.

 
 

[ippy]

Hahaha - thanks Ippy. Actually, research apparently shows that especially after menopause women's skin ages faster than men's - apparently 3 times faster than men's after menopause. So women may develop significantly more wrinkles than a man the same age. Though lifestyle choices such as heavy drinking, smoking, sun exposure etc also affects the number of wrinkles on men and women. And the salt and pepper hair look is often described as distinguished when it comes to men but not so much in relation to women. So you're right that women offer businesses a more lucrative market to tap into because they are more affected by insecurities about appearance, the worship of youthfulness ..or as you put it, because men are so damn good-looking to begin with 

So something trans women will not experience due to their biology, which reinforces the need for biological sex-based provisions in certain issues. Anyone seeking to deny biological sex-based provisions to women is either misguided or a misogynist.

I actually enjoy 1940s and 1950s films - yes in many films the women look very glamourous and are often patronised by the men and scream or cry a lot and need protecting - after all how mobile can you be in high heels and a tight, restrictive dress, not to mention the biological, social and legal obstacles to self-sufficiency. A few exceptions to this in 1950s films where the female character is portrayed as self-reliant and heroic. Again, this means that men can only identify as women on a very superficial level when they have not experienced any of the biological, social or legal obstacles. But I think the male characters in many of these films often come across as pretty stupid too - some exceptions off the top of my head are roles played by Gregory Peck and Sidney Poitier.

It's a good job John Wane was on our side in the second world war, we'd more than likely lost it without him and I wonder if you've ever noticed wherever or whenever J W got wounded in any of his films leg, head, little toe, they always put his arm in a sling, so just as you say how daft the men often looked.

The trans thing, I can only put it down to my age and how things were for the most of my life, whilst I'll support equality of treatment for these people, I'd even support them in a protest march etc, but if I know there's a play or a stage show based on trans/gay anything I'll do my very best to avoid viewing these sorts of things a sort of they have every right to be as they are but I don't want to know, good luck with it but no thanks. 

ippy.

[Nearly Sane]

The erasure of the words woman/women


https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/woman-is-not-a-dirty-word?r=7vxvn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0e2VaKR_Aifli_vneVudUAnSSg1QXHuE60mB-vtvFlanQQ5mwHUGSP_Lw

[Nearly Sane]

Cancel culture

https://kotaku.com/ubisoft-to-remove-controversial-host-from-watch-dogs-le-1845596398/amp?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=kotaku_twitter&__twitter_impression=true

[Nearly Sane]

Trans in acting

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/tales-from-the-wokeplace-an-actor?r=7oafk&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=twitter

[Nearly Sane]

And trans activists get bisexual actor cancelled


https://amp.theguardian.com/culture/2020/nov/18/its-not-about-cancel-culture-hedwig-and-the-angry-inch-postponed-after-trans-led-petition?__twitter_impression=true

[Nearly Sane]

Selina Todd (has a share token so you don't need a subscription to read)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a5eb66d6-2a88-11eb-9d71-3a8cfebe9319?shareToken=325c46432179a736f184c8ebea4c4439