Civil partnerships opened to straight couples

[Rhiannon]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/02/civil-partnerships-to-be-opened-to-heterosexual-couples

Good decision.

[Roses]

And about time too.

[Nearly Sane]

Time for the Scottish Govt to get its arse in gear and sort it out here too. They have dragged their heels on an easy reform.

[Enki]

Good news indeed.

[splashscuba]

Does anyone know what the legal differences between civil partnership and marriage is?

[Steve H]

Does anyone know what the legal differences between civil partnership and marriage is?

One's called "civil partnership", and the other's called "marriage".

[Nearly Sane]

Does anyone know what the legal differences between civil partnership and marriage is?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/comparison-of-civil-partnership-and-marriage-for-same-sex-couples

[Udayana]

ah .. so, in a civil partnership you can have sex with whomsoever ... but in a marriage you have to commit adultery

[Rhiannon]

ah .. so, in a civil partnership you can have sex with whomsoever ... but in a marriage you have to commit adultery

No, when I was married I never had to commit adultery.

The adultery thing in civil law is insane. It only applies to sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. So a man can't divorce his wife for adultery if her affair is with another woman. Or indeed if her affair is with a man but they don't have full sex. In both cases 'unreasonable behaviour' applies, which is the same grounds for dissolving a civil partnership where one party has cheated on another. And seems a whole lot more grown up tbh.

[Robbie]

There is also a cohabiting agreement, legally enforceable. I honestly didn't know about that until a couple of weeks ago when a young relative told me. If I was a single person with own home and wanted to live with someone, I see the appeal.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/mar/09/cohabitation-agreement-essential-non-married-couples

[Rhiannon]

The case for extending CPs to siblings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45732851

So long as they have been living together for a certain period of time I think this is a good idea, unless the tax system can be reformed.

[Udayana]

No, when I was married I never had to commit adultery.
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oops! I must have got hold of the wrong end of the stick

[Udayana]

There is also a cohabiting agreement, legally enforceable. I honestly didn't know about that until a couple of weeks ago when a young relative told me. If I was a single person with own home and wanted to live with someone, I see the appeal.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/mar/09/cohabitation-agreement-essential-non-married-couples

I don't see why the state or religion still have to interfere in peoples relationships. Surely both marriages and CPs could be replaced by standard or customised contracts between people, covering children, finance, fidelity, inheritance and whatever else they want.

[Udayana]

The case for extending CPs to siblings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45732851

So long as they have been living together for a certain period of time I think this is a good idea, unless the tax system can be reformed.

I think it is the tax system that is wrong. Assuming no other changes, extending to relatives living together makes sense.

[Robbie]

Agree with your last two posts Udayana.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I don't see why the state or religion still have to interfere in peoples relationships. Surely both marriages and CPs could be replaced by standard or customised contracts between people, covering children, finance, fidelity, inheritance and whatever else they want.

Some of us don't want contracts, we want marriage.

I have rather more sympathy for siblings wanting to avoid tax, than I have for anti marriage fanatics.  Rebecca Steinfeld wrote an article for the Indy not that long ago stating that she wanted to abolish marriage entirely. So she wants me to cheer on her civil partnership , but she wants to slag off my marriage at the same time.

[Rhiannon]

Some of us don't want contracts, we want marriage.

I have rather more sympathy for siblings wanting to avoid tax, than I have for anti marriage fanatics.  Rebecca Steinfeld wrote an article for the Indy not that long ago stating that she wanted to abolish marriage entirely. So she wants me to cheer on her civil partnership , but she wants to slag off my marriage at the same time.

I'm anti marriage personally, but I get that it matters to others. It's right that people have a choice, surely?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I'm anti marriage personally, but I get that it matters to others. It's right that people have a choice, surely?

It's not something that I want to die in a ditch over, if the law is to be changed so be it, I won't be holding up placards outside Parliament about it. My point was that Rebecca Steinfeld wants civil partnerships in the hope that marriage will eventually be abolished.

[Rhiannon]

It's not something that I want to die in a ditch over, if the law is to be changed so be it, I won't be holding up placards outside Parliament about it. My point was that Rebecca Steinfeld wants civil partnerships in the hope that marriage will eventually be abolished.

She;'s allowed her opinion, right? I mean, with the fashion for forcing people to spend enormous sums to money to attend the weddings of friends and acquaintances it's not like it actually is going to be abolished any time soon. People are too selfish for that.

[Roses]

She;'s allowed her opinion, right? I mean, with the fashion for forcing people to spend enormous sums to money to attend the weddings of friends and acquaintances it's not like it actually is going to be abolished any time soon. People are too selfish for that.

Wedding are boring, including my own, I have no wish to attend anymore.

[Rhiannon]

Wedding are boring, including my own, I have no wish to attend anymore.

I hear you.

[Robbie]

Wedding are boring, including my own, I have no wish to attend anymore.

Boring to you. Some weddings are boring, I agree, but not all. If you are at a wedding of someone for whom you care, which is cheerful and pretty, it's not going to be boring.

I've been to many weddings, can't remember how many. I've had a good time at many and enjoyed the day.

As for the current fashion for weddings abroad, they're for people whose guests can afford it. Most of them take place at home and the best of them have reception at parents' house (& garden). They can be great fun.

Civil partnerships may well be boring, I've never been to one so don't know but can't see they will be much different to civil weddings. Siblings, relatives or friends who live together long term (and I agree they should have civil partnerships), aren't likely to have a big do with reception, it will be a private matter.

[Rhiannon]

Boring to you. Some weddings are boring, I agree, but not all. If you are at a wedding of someone for whom you care, which is cheerful and pretty, it's not going to be boring.

I've been to many weddings, can't remember how many. I've had a good time at many and enjoyed the day.

As for the current fashion for weddings abroad, they're for people whose guests can afford it. Most of them take place at home and the best of them have reception at parents' house (& garden). They can be great fun.

Civil partnerships may well be boring, I've never been to one so don't know but can't see they will be much different to civil weddings. Siblings, relatives or friends who live together long term (and I agree they should have civil partnerships), aren't likely to have a big do with reception, it will be a private matter.

I don't see how you can comment on something that you haven't attended. Why should a CP be 'boring'? If ever I want to commit to someone again I am now free to do so via a CP, which will be accompanied by the wildest pagan hand fasting I can get away with, starting at sunrise and ending with fire under the stars, and including dangerous amounts of mead.

And you are frighteningly out of date about weddings abroad.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/sep/08/wedding-guests-destination-cost-debt

[Roses]

Boring to you. Some weddings are boring, I agree, but not all. If you are at a wedding of someone for whom you care, which is cheerful and pretty, it's not going to be boring.

I've been to many weddings, can't remember how many. I've had a good time at many and enjoyed the day.

As for the current fashion for weddings abroad, they're for people whose guests can afford it. Most of them take place at home and the best of them have reception at parents' house (& garden). They can be great fun.

Civil partnerships may well be boring, I've never been to one so don't know but can't see they will be much different to civil weddings. Siblings, relatives or friends who live together long term (and I agree they should have civil partnerships), aren't likely to have a big do with reception, it will be a private matter.

I realise a lot of people enjoy weddings, but I am not one of them. I have always disliked dressing up, and going to parties. My parents were charge of my wedding, in which I had no say, apart from stating the dress mustn't be pretty, pretty. My married daughters frogmarched me down to the shops to choose my wedding attire for their nuptials in case I turned up in jeans and T shirt!