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Big round of jazz hands
« on: October 02, 2018, 04:02:38 PM »
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2018, 05:17:47 PM »
What a load of half-arsed, feeble-minded bolingbrokes. Also, it's "problems", not "issues". I hate that tiresome, trendy euphemism.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2018, 05:29:46 PM »
Agree with your first sentence steveh. 100%.

Issues and problems are not the same thing, and 'issues' is not a trendy euphemism, has been around a long time.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2018, 05:34:56 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on October 02, 2018, 05:29:46 PM
Agree with your first sentence steveh. 100%.

Issues and problems are not the same thing, and 'issues' is not a trendy euphemism, has been around a long time.
It's widely used nowadays as a euphemism for "problems".
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2018, 05:39:17 PM »
Not that I've noticed unless you consider something that is mildly irritating or bewildering a problem. Perhaps you could take it up with those of your acquaintance who misuse the word 'issue/s' and put them right. No-one I know uses the word as a euphemism for 'problem/s', which means something more serious than an issue.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2018, 05:39:24 PM »
I'll go for ditching the whooping, cheering and clapping to the music in favour of "jazz hands", I'm not so sure about plain old clapping at the end of a performance.
 
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2018, 05:50:11 PM »
I used to go to theatre sometimes with a good friend who would raise both hands to the level of my head and proceed to do a very loud, steady slow handclap - right in my ear! Apart from that I have no objection to clapping, cheering and whooping & don't think jazz hands would have the same effect (even if kinder on the tympanic membrane).
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2018, 07:23:01 PM »

I think this might even be wrong in its initial premise. I have deaf friends in the USA and one of them feels vibrations of music and other noises and appreciates them, I imagine (although don't know for sure) that clapping may produce a similar effect. Will ask next time we speak (turn of phrase)  we communicate by e-mail and text and through his wife.
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2018, 07:58:17 PM »
There’s something so earnest about all off this cobblers. Bless.

To be fair it might make a difference to someone with autism/Aspergers, but would they want to be at a noisy event to start with? And I love the idea of jazz hands in the HoP.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2018, 08:01:12 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 02, 2018, 07:58:17 PM
There’s something so earnest about all off this cobblers. Bless.

To be fair it might make a difference to someone with autism/Aspergers, but would they want to be at a noisy event to start with? And I love the idea of jazz hands in the HoP.
We have to remember that it's not ok to clap in the HoC but making monkey noises is fine - so what would those look like?
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2018, 11:24:48 PM »
I suppose "jazz hands" is fine if you want to look like a complete lemon. Not very helpful for blind people either, that is if you're trying to be 'respectful' and inclusive. But yeah, it shows even idiots manage to make their way into university.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2018, 08:31:14 AM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on October 02, 2018, 11:24:48 PM
I suppose "jazz hands" is fine if you want to look like a complete lemon. Not very helpful for blind people either, that is if you're trying to be 'respectful' and inclusive. But yeah, it shows even idiots manage to make their way into university.
Not idiots so much as immature: undergraduates are usually aged 18-21. I was very immature and believed some daft stuff at that age.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2018, 09:52:15 AM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 03, 2018, 08:31:14 AM
Not idiots so much as immature: undergraduates are usually aged 18-21. I was very immature and believed some daft stuff at that age.

Point taken.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2018, 11:18:23 AM »
This strikes me as being a well meaning gesture which has been badly presented bu Manny Uni NUS. Apparently this is intended only for debates , not for musical performances, etc. I do recall the British Youth Council (a far more conservative body than the NUS) passed a resolution that the colour of each page of the agenda be printed in bold at the top of the said pages, so as to assist those who are colour blind.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2018, 11:23:59 AM »
This is an interesting comment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45729031

My ASD daughter can cope with the loud noises at a performance but can't cope with jump scares. I dated a guy with Aspergers who was sensitive to noise - he couldn't cope with listening to some of Shearwater's music because of how they experiment with sound.

I agree with her comment that it is about raising awareness rather than banning things.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2018, 12:44:03 PM »
Our grandson (16) has Asperger's, and there were certain things, which would send him off on one when he was younger, I am not aware clapping was one of them. However, he has had to learn to live with some things which make him uncomfortable, or remove himself from the situation completely.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2018, 12:56:11 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 03, 2018, 12:44:03 PM
Our grandson (16) has Asperger's, and there were certain things, which would send him off on one when he was younger, I am not aware clapping was one of them. However, he has had to learn to live with some things which make him uncomfortable, or remove himself from the situation completely.

Yes, someone with high functioning ASD/Aspergers can adapt to a lot of things. I think it's more about developing an understanding in others as to why someone may struggle with noise, crowds, or conversely may laugh too loudly or talk too much. My daughter doesn't get some social cues at all which makes her seem rude, but she can't help it. Because she's bright and sociable (very different to the ASD caricature of someone who won't make eye contact or talk) her disability isn't obvious. Sometimes I wish I could jump in with, 'actually she just did that because she's autistic' but as she's nearly 15 that isn't really fair. It's really hard disability to deal with in that regard.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2018, 01:23:34 PM »
Bill Gates is said to be mildly aspy, so it needn't hold anyone back!
Also, maybe Alan Turing, Ludwig Wittgenstein, and Mozart.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2018, 01:45:20 PM »
As I have said before I believe my husband also has Asperger's, although due to his brain damage he cannot be tested for the condition. Fortunately it doesn't seem to have affected his day to day life, even if he has always come over as rather different to other people.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2018, 01:48:04 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 03, 2018, 01:23:34 PM
Bill Gates is said to be mildly aspy, so it needn't hold anyone back!
Also, maybe Alan Turing, Ludwig Wittgenstein, and Mozart.

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The problem we've encountered is the 'sausage machine' approach to education. The schools can't grasp that although she's incredibly bright she also struggles with processing, organisation, workload and maintaining concentration on anything she isn't interested in. But home schooling doesn't work because she likes the social side of learning alongside others. It's not uncommon for people with high functioning ASD not to 'achieve' in the conventional way.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2018, 01:53:21 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 03, 2018, 01:48:04 PM
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The problem we've encountered is the 'sausage machine' approach to education. The schools can't grasp that although she's incredibly bright she also struggles with processing, organisation, workload and maintaining concentration on anything she isn't interested in. But home schooling doesn't work because she likes the social side of learning alongside others. It's not uncommon for people with high functioning ASD not to 'achieve' in the conventional way.

Our grandson finds home schooling has worked well for him as he didn't enjoy the social aspect of school, only its academic nature.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 06:52:50 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 03, 2018, 01:23:34 PM
Bill Gates is said to be mildly aspy, so it needn't hold anyone back!
Also, maybe Alan Turing, Ludwig Wittgenstein, and Mozart.

And Isaac Newton ...  whose interactions with other human beings were often bizarre.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2018, 05:16:11 PM »
The friend I mentioned earlier was/is an 'Aspie', loved classical music and had no concept that very loud hand clapping - right in my ear - would in any way be objectionable. I remember after a concert we were on tube station and Bob Marley song was playing, friend felt uncomfortable, thought that was really awful especially after hearing a beautiful recital.

It takes all sorts.
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2018, 06:18:35 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on October 05, 2018, 05:16:11 PM
The friend I mentioned earlier was/is an 'Aspie', loved classical music and had no concept that very loud hand clapping - right in my ear - would in any way be objectionable. I remember after a concert we were on tube station and Bob Marley song was playing, friend felt uncomfortable, thought that was really awful especially after hearing a beautiful recital.

It takes all sorts.

No it doesn't. Someone who has Aspergers (doesn't;t take that long to type) or high functioning ASD has a disability. You wouldn't say of someone with cystic fibrosis that it 'tales all sorts'.
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Re: Big round of jazz hands
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2018, 06:23:50 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on October 05, 2018, 05:16:11 PM
The friend I mentioned earlier was/is an 'Aspie', loved classical music and had no concept that very loud hand clapping - right in my ear - would in any way be objectionable. I remember after a concert we were on tube station and Bob Marley song was playing, friend felt uncomfortable, thought that was really awful especially after hearing a beautiful recital.

It takes all sorts.

You appear to be very dismissive of Asperger's syndrome. If you or one of your children/grandchildren had it you wouldn't treat it so lightly.
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