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Sriram

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Panpsychism
« on: December 02, 2018, 01:43:46 PM »
Hi everyone,

Panpsychism is the view that Consciousness is fundamental and a universal feature of all things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism

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.... panpsychism is the view that consciousness, mind, or soul (psyche) is a universal and primordial feature of all things. Panpsychists see themselves as minds in a world of mind.

Panpsychism is one of the oldest philosophical theories, .........The recent interest in the hard problem of consciousness has revived interest in panpsychism.[1]

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David Chalmers speaks about panpsychism and the hard problem of consciousness in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhRhtFFhNzQ

Interestingly, the Integrated Information theory proposed by Tononi, a neuroscientist is also referred by David Chalmers as a possible scientific attempt at contributing to the hard problem of Consciousness.

A welcome attempt at integrating consciousness with physical reality IMO!   

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Re: Panpsychism
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2018, 01:57:05 PM »
Hi Sririam, wondered where you'd got to. Thanks for the post which I will digest later.
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Re: Panpsychism
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2018, 02:04:56 PM »
Hi Sririam, wondered where you'd got to. Thanks for the post which I will digest later.


Hi Robbie... :)

Just been otherwise busy. Been travelling a bit.

Also, found the discussions here rather boring and repetitive. Thought I would give it a rest. 

Came across the above article and video and thought I should share it here.  The board seems to be on a low currently.  Usually a controversial post livens things up.   :D

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Re: Panpsychism
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2018, 04:06:50 PM »
Good to see you back.  Was beginning to think you'd been abducted by aliens or something ...

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Re: Panpsychism
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2018, 04:47:20 PM »
For anyone in the mood, one of my favourites, Antonio Damasio, on the neurophysiological basis of a self :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3680046417&feature=iv&src_vid=uhRhtFFhNzQ&v=LMrzdk_YnYY


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Re: Panpsychism
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2018, 06:39:45 AM »
Good to see you back.  Was beginning to think you'd been abducted by aliens or something ...


Thanks torridon.  I was actually abducted by gods and angels...(which is probably the same thing ;))

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Re: Panpsychism
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2018, 05:40:20 AM »
For anyone in the mood, one of my favourites, Antonio Damasio, on the neurophysiological basis of a self :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3680046417&feature=iv&src_vid=uhRhtFFhNzQ&v=LMrzdk_YnYY


Here is something on the Hard problem of Consciousness....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness

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The hard problem of consciousness is the problem of explaining how and why sentient organisms have qualia or phenomenal experiences

The philosopher David Chalmers, who introduced the term "hard problem" of consciousness,[2] contrasts this with the "easy problems" of explaining the ability to discriminate, integrate information, report mental states, focus attention, etc.

Easy problems are easy because all that is required for their solution is to specify a mechanism that can perform the function. That is, their proposed solutions, regardless of how complex or poorly understood they may be, can be entirely consistent with the modern materialistic conception of natural phenomena.

Chalmers claims that the problem of experience is distinct from this set and that the problem of experience will "persist even when the performance of all the relevant functions is explained".[3]

Integrated information theory (IIT), developed by the neuroscientist and psychiatrist Giulio Tononi in 2004 and more recently also advocated by Koch, is one of the most discussed models of consciousness in neuroscience and elsewhere.[18][19] The theory proposes an identity between consciousness and integrated information, with the latter item (denoted as Φ) defined mathematically and thus in principle measurable.[19][20]

The hard problem of consciousness, write Tononi and Koch, may indeed be intractable when working from matter to consciousness.[21] However, because IIT inverts this relationship and works from phenomenological axioms to matter, they say it could be able to solve the hard problem.[21] In this vein, proponents have said the theory goes beyond identifying human neural correlates and can be extrapolated to all physical systems. Tononi wrote (along with two colleagues):

While identifying the “neural correlates of consciousness” is undoubtedly important, it is hard to see how it could ever lead to a satisfactory explanation of what consciousness is and how it comes about. As will be illustrated below, IIT offers a way to analyze systems of mechanisms to determine if they are properly structured to give rise to consciousness, how much of it, and of which kind.[22]

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Quite clearly not all scientists think neural mechanisms are sufficient to explain Consciousness.

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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2018, 03:24:51 PM »


Quite clearly not all scientists think neural mechanisms are sufficient to explain Consciousness.

Has anyone clearly claimed that they all do?
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Re: Panpsychism
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2018, 06:26:04 AM »



Hi everyone,

Some information on Integrated Information Theory developed by Tononi, University of Wisconsin and others.  The theory seems to support the idea of Panpsychism.

Here is a link....

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303551101_Integrated_information_theory_From_consciousness_to_its_physical_substrate

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Integrated information theory starts from the essential properties of phenomenal experience, from which it derives the requirements for the physical substrate of consciousness.

IIT addresses the hard problem in a new way. It does not start from the brain and ask how it could give rise to experience; instead, it starts from the essential phenomenal properties of experience, or axioms, and infers postulates about the characteristics that are required of its physical substrate.

IIT may also prompt a reconsideration of how widespread consciousness is in nature and at what physical scale it may occur9. Intriguingly, IIT allows for certain simple systems such as grid-like architectures, similar to topographically organized areas in the human posterior cortex, to be highly conscious even when not engaging in any intelligent behaviour.

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