Marrying a hologram

[Sriram]

HI everyone,

The impact of technology!  A man in Japan has married a hologram....

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/28/health/rise-of-digisexuals-intl/index.html

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He married a hologram.

Kondo's November wedding to cyber celebrity Hatsune Miku -- which is not legally recognized -- provoked mixed reactions in Japan and abroad. Some were dumbfounded by his choice of a three-dimensional laser image over a human. Others congratulated him.

But the 35-year-old, whose spartan home on the outskirts of Tokyo is dotted with plush Miku dolls and paraphernalia, doesn't care what others think. He simply did what made him happy.

"Society pressures you to follow a certain formula for love, but it might not make you happy," Kondo told CNN.

"I want people to be able to figure out what works for them."

"(Miku) lifted me up when I needed it the most. She kept me company and made me feel like I could regain control over my life," he said. "What I have with her is definitely love."

Kondo's not the only one. In 2017, over a million people asked Amazon's Alexa to marry them, according to the company. And more than 3,000 people have registered for commemorative marriage certificates featuring their favorite anime characters since Vinclu started offering the service in 2017.

Office worker Sachiko Kougami's parents, ........wanted her to marry a regular man. But she lost interest in dating after falling in love with Taiga Kougami, a teenage character from the anime series "Kings of Prism" two years ago.

"There's only him in my world," she said. "It would be great if we could interact more."

"I think there are others out there who have fallen in love with anime characters and want to marry them," Kondo said.

"I want to support their choices."

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Hmmmm!  I think they have lost it! 

Any views?

Cheers.

Sriram

[Free Willy]

HI everyone,

The impact of technology!  A man in Japan has married a hologram....

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/28/health/rise-of-digisexuals-intl/index.html

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He married a hologram.

Kondo's November wedding to cyber celebrity Hatsune Miku -- which is not legally recognized -- provoked mixed reactions in Japan and abroad. Some were dumbfounded by his choice of a three-dimensional laser image over a human. Others congratulated him.

But the 35-year-old, whose spartan home on the outskirts of Tokyo is dotted with plush Miku dolls and paraphernalia, doesn't care what others think. He simply did what made him happy.

"Society pressures you to follow a certain formula for love, but it might not make you happy," Kondo told CNN.

"I want people to be able to figure out what works for them."

"(Miku) lifted me up when I needed it the most. She kept me company and made me feel like I could regain control over my life," he said. "What I have with her is definitely love."

Kondo's not the only one. In 2017, over a million people asked Amazon's Alexa to marry them, according to the company. And more than 3,000 people have registered for commemorative marriage certificates featuring their favorite anime characters since Vinclu started offering the service in 2017.

Office worker Sachiko Kougami's parents, ........wanted her to marry a regular man. But she lost interest in dating after falling in love with Taiga Kougami, a teenage character from the anime series "Kings of Prism" two years ago.

"There's only him in my world," she said. "It would be great if we could interact more."

"I think there are others out there who have fallen in love with anime characters and want to marry them," Kondo said.

"I want to support their choices."

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Hmmmm!  I think they have lost it! 

Any views?

Cheers.

Sriram

Those who have recently sought a change in the definition of marriage have disqualified themselves from criticism of this behaviour...and I use the word behaviour in its scientific sense.

[Free Willy]

Did the hologram enter the relationshipp of its own free will?

[torridon]

I was predicting that people would people would start marrying their domestic synths way back in the days of the BBC messageboards. 

When I talk to my Amazon Echo, I do so as if I was talking to a human, although I know I am not.  When people have a prosthethic limb fitted, the mind soon accepts it as being part of them, although it is not flesh and blood.  When I drive my car, it becomes an extension of me.  Our minds form subconscious emotional bonds quite easily; we are really not rational creatures at base.

[Free Willy]

I was predicting that people would people would start marrying their domestic synths way back in the days of the BBC messageboards. 

When I talk to my Amazon Echo, I do so as if I was talking to a human, although I know I am not.  When people have a prosthethic limb fitted, the mind soon accepts it as being part of them, although it is not flesh and blood.  When I drive my car, it becomes an extension of me.  Our minds form subconscious emotional bonds quite easily; we are really not rational creatures at base.

Is it marriage though?

[Harrowby Hall]

As always, our greatest poet and playwright has this under consideration:


     Let me not to the marriage of true minds   
     Admit impediments. Love is not love   
     Which alters when it alteration finds,   
     Or bends with the remover to remove:   
     O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark,
     That looks on tempests and is never shaken;   
     It is the star to every wandering bark,   
     Whose worth’s unknown, although his height be taken.   
     Love ’s not Time’s fool, though rosy lips and cheeks   
     Within his bending sickle’s compass come;
     Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,   
     But bears it out even to the edge of doom.   
     If this be error, and upon me prov’d,   
     I never writ, nor no man ever lov’d.

[Aruntraveller]

Those who have recently sought a change in the definition of marriage have disqualified themselves from criticism of this behaviour...and I use the word behaviour in its scientific sense.

So you support a slippery slope argument then?

[Roses]

Well I guess marrying a hologram would be better than marrying a person who is abusive. I think living with a person for a few years before you marry them is better than marrying in haste and regretting it.

[ad_orientem]

So you support a slippery slope argument then?

Why not, when there's a big sodding slippery slope right infront of you?

[Aruntraveller]

Why not, when there's a big sodding slippery slope right infront of you?

Where? Can't see it myself.

Bill Maher says it so much better than I ever could:

New Rule: Gay marriage won't lead to dog marriage. It is not a slippery slope to rampant inter-species coupling. When women got the right to vote, it didn't lead to hamsters voting. No court has extended the equal protection clause to salmon. And for the record, all marriages are “same sex” marriages. You get married, and every night, it's the same sex.”

[Free Willy]

So you support a slippery slope argument then?

I dont think so.
The person who changes the definition of  marriage for their own purposes has no  grounds for criticising others for doing it.If they do they are humbug.
Are you humbug?

[Free Willy]

Where? Can't see it myself.

Bill Maher says it so much better than I ever could:

Substitute hologram marriage for dog marriage.
IMO Mather uses the stinking ploy of argumentum ad ridiculum.

[Nearly Sane]

I dont think so.
The person who changes the definition of  marriage for their own purposes has no  grounds for criticising others for doing it.If they do they are humbug.
Are you humbug?

Drivel. If I campaigned to change the definition of the legal voting age to 18, according to your 'argument ' if someone proposes cars should have the vote, it would be humbug to suggest any difficulty with that idea.

[jeremyp]

Kondo's November wedding to cyber celebrity Hatsune Miku -- which is not legally recognized

so he didn't marry a hologram.

[Aruntraveller]

The person who changes the definition of  marriage for their own purposes has no  grounds for criticising others for doing it.If they do they are humbug.

As has been pointed out elsewhere. Bollocks. Or possibly dogs bollocks.

However you yourself touched on an issue that is relevant that is, freewill and by inference, consent.

Whole novels in sci-fi and films/tv have been dedicated to this thorny issue but at the moment it isn't a problem. It may become one, but by then I will have departed and others can worry about cyborg sex.

[Sriram]

On thinking about it, haven't some people married Jesus and Krishna and other deities?!  Don't many people fantasize about film stars and so on?!

So maybe 'marrying' a fictional or digi person may not be so strange after all!   

[Free Willy]

Drivel. If I campaigned to change the definition of the legal voting age to 18, according to your 'argument ' if someone proposes cars should have the vote, it would be humbug to suggest any difficulty with that idea.

Brown and bell sounding.
No one redefined the meaning of voting rights whereas the meaning of the word marriage was changed.

[Nearly Sane]

Brown and bell sounding.
No one redefined the meaning of voting rights whereas the meaning of the word marriage was changed.

No, it's exactly a redefinition. Btw your 'campaign' on here to redefine civil partnership on here by your 'logic' means you support being able to marry a child of a week old and fuck that child. Your use of logic is idiotic. Grow the fuck up. 

[Free Willy]

No, it's exactly a redefinition. Btw your 'campaign' on here to redefine civil partnership on here by your 'logic' means you support being able to marry a child of a week old and fuck that child. Your use of logic is idiotic. Grow the fuck up.

No you are drawing poor analogy.
As far as campaigning for a change in definition of civil partnership Im perfectly willing to own up to that without revising history.

[Nearly Sane]

No you are drawing poor analogy.
As far as campaigning for a change in definition of civil partnership Im perfectly willing to own up to that without revising history.

So by your 'logic' you support paedophilia.

[Steve H]

Why not, when there's a big sodding slippery slope right infront of you?

"Slippery slope" arguments, like "logical conclusion" arguments, are used by people who've run out of real arguments.

[Robbie]

Well I guess marrying a hologram would be better than marrying a person who is abusive. I think living with a person for a few years before you marry them is better than marrying in haste and regretting it.

I think the man marrying the hologram lived with it for a while beforehand so both knew what they were getting into.

[ad_orientem]

"Slippery slope" arguments, like "logical conclusion" arguments, are used by people who've run out of real arguments.

In some cases maybe, but not always. Slippery slope arguments can be totally valid. It depends on the situation, rather than saying one isn't allowed to use a certain argument.

[Free Willy]

So by your 'logic' you support paedophilia.

No, As a moral realist I condemn it.
Indeed moral realism is able to do so with absolute moral conviction.

Morality trumps everything since it is what we are judged on.

[Nearly Sane]

No, As a moral realist I condemn it.
Indeed moral realism is able to do so with absolute moral conviction.

Morality trumps everything since it is what we are judged on.

Then you are arguing that your previous 'argument' was wrong.