Shamima Begum

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Why should any country be obliged to take such a person? It's fucking stupid, that's what it is.

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Even if she does say Jehovah?

Very droll. All I'm saying is that no country should be obliged to accept such a person.

[Nearly Sane]

Very droll. All I'm saying is that no country should be obliged to accept such a person.

Even the country of which she is a citizen? Where is the utopia you would place her in?

[Nearly Sane]

Why should any country be obliged to take such a person? It's fucking stupid, that's what it is.

Because wherever they are, it's a country.

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Even the country of which she is a citizen? Where is the utopia you would place her in?

Her own. The one she went to.

[Anchorman]

Well said, Jim, Ad-o wants to throw the first stone, whereas at least you want to help the one being stoned.

   





Yep.
And far from being the soft or easy way out, sometimes it's the hardest.

[torridon]

Why should any country be obliged to take such a person? It's fucking stupid, that's what it is.

Not so stupid as being short sighted, taking a shallow view of things

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Not so stupid as being short sighted, taking a shallow view of things

It's rewarding her for what she's done. She'll get a free gaff and everything payed for by the state.

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Her own. The one she went to.

It's certainly a new idea of citizenship, that if you go and live in country X, you become a citizen of X.    So all those ex-pats are now Spanish citizens, and EU migrants are now UK citizens?   I didn't realize.

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It's certainly a new idea of citizenship, that if you go and live in country X, you become a citizen of X.    So all those ex-pats are now Spanish citizens, and EU migrants are now UK citizens?   I didn't realize.

Can't compare. She went to join that death cult, one that has been responsible for terrorist attacks around the world.

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That noise you can hear is the sound of many goal-posts being dragged around.

[Spud]

Hopefully she'll grow up and realise what she did was wrong.
As for the whole caliphate thing, the main task is to make sure they can never get their hands on any big military equipment, as that's the reason it all started. I recall they took it from the Iraqi military?
Once the remaining fighters see there's no chance of that happening, they might get the message?

[Spud]

That noise you can hear is the sound of many goal-posts being dragged around.

There were some very chirpy sparrows in the background during the interview

[Anchorman]

Hopefully she'll grow up and realise what she did was wrong. As for the whole caliphate thing, the main task is to make sure they can never get their hands on any big military equipment, as that's the reason it all started. I recall they took it from the Iraqi military? Once the remaining fighters see there's no chance of that happening, they might get the message?

Here's a thought; If the numpties in Westminster stopped selling these regimes weapons in the first place, terrorists wouldn't have got a chance to nick 'em.

[JP]

https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/1096538567847882753?s=21

If you are on Twitter.

[Robbie]

That is so horrific.

Can't compare. She went to join that death cult, one that has been responsible for terrorist attacks around the world.

Yes, at the age of fifteen.
Where's the compassion? She's given birth to children who have died, the girl deserves another chance.  She must be living in misery.

I'm with Anchor on this one.

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You're all mad. People like that should never be let back.

[SusanDoris]

That is so horrific.

Yes, at the age of fifteen.
Where's the compassion? She's given birth to children who have died, the girl deserves another chance.  She must be living in misery.

I'm with Anchor on this one.

Fine, but the follow-up question arises: would you personally be prepared to take on the responsibility of her monitoring etc etc?
Yes, that is not a fair question to you personally, but I add that of course it is not directed at you personally, but which arises inevitably.
When you think over the years about the pronouncements made by Archbishops et al about what we should do to be compassionate, blah, blah, but would they take refugees into their palaces permanently, fund them for years, etc? No way!! 
Ahwell, that's the way of things I suppose.

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That's a bizarre view that I should personally take on the monitoring and rehabilitation of Begum.  Why?  If I want a burglar apprehended, should I carry out a raid myself on his house?   I assume that the UK has the personnel, and the knowledge to deal with returnees, since 400 have already come back.

[SusanDoris]

That's a bizarre view that I should personally take on the monitoring and rehabilitation of Begum.  Why?  If I want a burglar apprehended, should I carry out a raid myself on his house?   I assume that the UK has the personnel, and the knowledge to deal with returnees, since 400 have already come back.

Note that I very carefully made it clear that the you was not a particular person here , but a generalised question.

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You're all mad. People like that should never be let back.

Sorry I thought you were a christian, did I have that all wrong ?  A true follower of Jesus would surely try to walk in his steps, rejecting judgmentalism, and instead reaching out to sinners with compassion. If christian principals are not to your liking then why pretend they are ?  You're a fake, it would seem.

[Anchorman]

You're all mad. People like that should never be let back.

   





Hmmmm.....
I've never read thast version of Christ's words in Matthew 25.
Does He say
"When I was a stranger, you told me to get lost."
Or elsewhere
"Love your enemies from a distance by doing nothing to help them?"

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Begum has given birth to a son, both are said to be well. 

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Sorry I thought you were a christian, did I have that all wrong ?  A true follower of Jesus would surely try to walk in his steps, rejecting judgmentalism, and instead reaching out to sinners with compassion. If christian principals are not to your liking then why pretend they are ?  You're a fake, it would seem.

I'll tell you what. When the last homeless person is housed and the last hungry person fed and the last potless person given sone money first, then bring her back to ponce off the state as reward for her actions.

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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/231521