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Prof Peter Atkins
« on: June 08, 2019, 06:37:36 PM »
this afternoon I went with a fellow atheist friend to the Dorset Humanist Group's monthly meeting. The speaker was Prof Peter atkins, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry at Lincoln College, Oxford* who spoke about how Science does and will provide the answers to what are called the 'big'questions, and pointing out clealy why religion never has or never will. It was a most interesting afternoon. Not only did he speak clearly and unhesitatingly, but the audience, about 100 of us, were keenly attentive to what he had to say.

* I think that is correct info I it's all on his Wikipedia page.
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2019, 07:40:04 PM »
Religion can't answer any questions because there is no way of testing religion's answers except within the framework of science. For example, Christians say they have an answer to "what is the purpose of life?". But their answer is completely unverifiable.

Science also has an answer which is "none, as far as we can tell at the moment". The only problem with it is that people can't seem to accept it for some reason.
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2019, 08:13:18 PM »
Religion can't answer any questions because there is no way of testing religion's answers except within the framework of science. For example, Christians say they have an answer to "what is the purpose of life?". But their answer is completely unverifiable.

Science also has an answer which is "none, as far as we can tell at the moment". The only problem with it is that people can't seem to accept it for some reason.
Perhaps because it's unverifiable? I don't think science deals in questions such as the purpose of life.
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2019, 11:09:44 PM »
Perhaps because it's unverifiable? I don't think science deals in questions such as the purpose of life.
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The purpose of human life is to worship The Creator because after creating the universe he still wasn't feeling sufficiently proud of himself . Then he thought ' I know ill make some humans and instruct them to worship me or risk being burnt forever when they die ' that should do it  8)

I don't know why he made the animals though , probably to give Noah something to do I suppose .

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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2019, 07:01:00 AM »
Perhaps because it's unverifiable? I don't think science deals in questions such as the purpose of life.

Please see JeremyP's post.

Do you know why you, it would seem, are one of those who cannot accept that there is no given purpose or meaning, and that all purpose and meaning is thought up by humans/?
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2019, 08:28:00 AM »

Please see JeremyP's post.

Do you know why you, it would seem, are one of those who cannot accept that there is no given purpose or meaning, and that all purpose and meaning is thought up by humans/?

That is fine by me ... but they don't seem to be that good at thinking at all.
 
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2019, 09:25:27 AM »
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The purpose of human life is to worship The Creator because after creating the universe he still wasn't feeling sufficiently proud of himself . Then he thought ' I know ill make some humans and instruct them to worship me or risk being burnt forever when they die ' that should do it  8)

I don't know why he made the animals though , probably to give Noah something to do I suppose .
No thread in this forum ever lasts more than a page or two before some smart-arse atheist weighs in with the laboured sarcasm. It does get rather tiresome.
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2019, 09:30:17 AM »

Please see JeremyP's post.

Do you know why you, it would seem, are one of those who cannot accept that there is no given purpose or meaning, and that all purpose and meaning is thought up by humans/?
I was replying to Jeremy's post, and I agree with you about meaning being a human invention! I choose to give life, the universe, and everything a roughly Christian meaning, but I don't pretend that Christianity is objectively true (probably not, anyway) - I am a non-realist, or at least a Tillichian (which amounts to much the same thing), Christian.
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2019, 10:02:27 AM »
No thread in this forum ever lasts more than a page or two before some smart-arse atheist weighs in with the laboured sarcasm. It does get rather tiresome.
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2019, 12:39:21 PM »
I was replying to Jeremy's post, and I agree with you about meaning being a human invention! I choose to give life, the universe, and everything a roughly Christian meaning, but I don't pretend that Christianity is objectively true (probably not, anyway) - I am a non-realist, or at least a Tillichian (which amounts to much the same thing), Christian.
Thank you for reply. What do you see as the difference between giving life a Christian meaninge or an an atheist, or a humanist, or just plain no-belief meaning to life?
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2019, 08:03:15 PM »
Perhaps because it's unverifiable?
It's not unverifiable. We've looked into how we came to be here and it turns out the mechanism is a completely natural process. The evidence for the thetry of evolution is pretty strong. There's no need to presume a purpose to explain our existence, so Occam's razors says  no.
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2019, 08:04:36 PM »
No thread in this forum ever lasts more than a page or two before some smart-arse atheist weighs in with the laboured sarcasm. It does get rather tiresome.

I thought it was quite amusing and the emoticon signals that the post was tongue in cheek.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2019, 07:12:12 AM »
... the emoticon signals that the post was tongue in cheek.
A bit like saying something offensive, then adding "no offence", as though that makes it ok. (Not that I'm offended by sarcasm, I hasten to add: that's just an analogy. I just find it a bit tiresome.) https://youtu.be/jY4tD2Hbg_A
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2019, 07:17:06 AM »
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Not that I'm offended by sarcasm, I hasten to add

I should hope not, that would require a level of hypocrisy only previously achieved by Michael Gove :P
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2019, 07:21:32 AM »
I should hope not, that would require a level of hypocrisy only previously achieved by Michael Gove :P
Yes, I can be sarcastic too, on occasion. It's a matter of degree. Walter's sarcasm on this thread wasn't even in reply to anyone else's theistic comment.
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2019, 08:51:28 AM »
Perhaps because it's unverifiable? I don't think science deals in questions such as the purpose of life.

Ah, but the RC catechism does just that:

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Who made me?                              God made me.

Why did God make me?                   God made me to love him and serve him in this world and to be happy with him for ever after in the next.
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Just what Walter said!
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Re: Prof Peter Atkins
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2019, 10:19:35 AM »
Yes, I can be sarcastic too, on occasion. It's a matter of degree. Walter's sarcasm on this thread wasn't even in reply to anyone else's theistic comment.

it was out of the blue and completely random and had no connection to the OP or any subsequent comments. Oh! wait.....