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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2019, 05:53:20 PM »
Yes, would that actually have made a difference?
Of course it would. Why are you pretending to be a moron?
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2019, 06:09:32 PM »
Of course it would. Why are you pretending to be a moron?
Then demonstrate it rather than assert it.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2019, 10:29:30 AM »
Then demonstrate it rather than assert it.

Demonstrate how not removing regulations designed to protect the environment is better for the environment than removing regulations designed to protect the environment? Why are you pretending to be a moron?

I notice you've conveniently forgotten about the other items in the list.

Do you think Hillary would have withdrawn US troops from Syria thus facilitating Turkey's attempts to genocide the Kurds?

Do you think Hillary would have entered into a costly trade war with China and the EU?

Do you think Hillary would have extorted foreign powers to dig up dirt on her political rivals?
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2019, 11:03:49 AM »
Demonstrate how not removing regulations designed to protect the environment is better for the environment than removing regulations designed to protect the environment? Why are you pretending to be a moron?

I notice you've conveniently forgotten about the other items in the list.

Do you think Hillary would have withdrawn US troops from Syria thus facilitating Turkey's attempts to genocide the Kurds?

Do you think Hillary would have entered into a costly trade war with China and the EU?

Do you think Hillary would have extorted foreign powers to dig up dirt on her political rivals?

No, I'm just ignoring them because I had been looking at the climate change question. I think the regulations we have now amount to window dressing. I don't think they deal with climate change.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2019, 06:25:36 PM »
No, I'm just ignoring them because I had been looking at the climate change question. I think the regulations we have now amount to window dressing. I don't think they deal with climate change.
Leaving the Paris Accord is not conducive to getting effective regulations wouldn't you say? Not to mention that climate change is not the only environmental issue in the world.

Not to mention that this is a thread not just about the environment but about the US general election in 2020.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2019, 09:27:04 AM »
So 7 candidates will be in Thursday's debates, even though there are still lots of contenders beyond that - Kamala Harris dropping out for lack of resources  a couple of weeks ago even though she would have qualified. The amount of money being spent on this will be huge.


https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2019/12/six-candidates-quality-for-december-democratic-debate/

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2020, 01:04:31 PM »
And at last we get to some actual voting

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51330443

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2020, 02:52:33 PM »
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2020, 06:31:38 AM »
Though the first attempts at voting have had their problems



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51367291

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2020, 10:36:13 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51582025

US lawmakers are accusing Russia of assisting the White House clown to win this year's presidential election. It appears Trump needed his buddy Putin's assistance first time round, so it is no surprise if he gets it this time too.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2020, 10:21:05 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51582025

US lawmakers are accusing Russia of assisting the White House clown to win this year's presidential election. It appears Trump needed his buddy Putin's assistance first time round, so it is no surprise if he gets it this time too.

Of course they want him to win. He’s done more damage to the USA in three years than the USSR did in 45 years.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2020, 11:39:58 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51582025

US lawmakers are accusing Russia of assisting the White House clown to win this year's presidential election. It appears Trump needed his buddy Putin's assistance first time round, so it is no surprise if he gets it this time too.

Yes, getting Trump in as president by helping Sanders win the Democrat race. Brilliant. Putin seems to be the only player in this who knows what he is doing.   
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2020, 02:03:40 PM »
Yes, getting Trump in as president by helping Sanders win the Democrat race. Brilliant. Putin seems to be the only player in this who knows what he is doing.   

You could be right, Sanders is way too old to be president, especially as he has health issues too.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2020, 10:29:20 AM »
You could be right, Sanders is way too old to be president, especially as he has health issues too.
If Bill Clinton were able to enter the race, he would the youngest man in the running now. Bloomberg, Sanders and Biden all older

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2020, 11:52:54 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51700771

It is a shame Pete Buttigieg felt he had to retire from the fray. But I suppose as a gay man he didn't stand much chance of becoming president in a country where unpleasant anti-gay bigotry is rife.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2020, 12:04:22 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51700771

It is a shame Pete Buttigieg felt he had to retire from the fray. But I suppose as a gay man he didn't stand much chance of becoming president in a country where unpleasant anti-gay bigotry is rife.
Is it any more 'rife' in the U.S than here? I think there were lots of other issues with Buttigieg, around experience, background, actions while Mayor.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2020, 12:13:39 PM »
Is it any more 'rife' in the U.S than here? I think there were lots of other issues with Buttigieg, around experience, background, actions while Mayor.

I think it is more of a problem in the US, given half a chance Trump would make homosexual relationships illegal. Having said that of course there are a lot of anti-gay freaks here in the UK, especially among extremist theists. But gays don't seem to fare quite so badly in the UK as they do in the US.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2020, 11:07:59 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51700771

It is a shame Pete Buttigieg felt he had to retire from the fray. But I suppose as a gay man he didn't stand much chance of becoming president in a country where unpleasant anti-gay bigotry is rife.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #68 on: March 03, 2020, 06:35:08 AM »

And Klobuchar goes and endorses Biden, along with Buttigieg doing the same.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51716348

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #69 on: March 03, 2020, 08:34:39 AM »
If Bill Clinton were able to enter the race, he would the youngest man in the running now. Bloomberg, Sanders and Biden all older
I read on Facebook, but haven't checked if it's true, that Trump was the oldest-ever President on election, but is now the youngest candidate. That is not good. Much as I love Bernie, he's rather old.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #70 on: March 03, 2020, 08:45:03 AM »
Sanders is 80 next year and had a recent heart attack. Due to his advanced years and a dicky ticker he might not survive the stress of an election campaign, which is likely to get very nasty indeed if he is the one taking on Trump.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2020, 09:27:43 AM »
I read on Facebook, but haven't checked if it's true, that Trump was the oldest-ever President on election, but is now the youngest candidate. That is not good. Much as I love Bernie, he's rather old.
Trump was the oldest President elected for his first term. Reagan's second term - Reagan was older. With Warren and Gabbard still in theory in the election he's not as yet guaranteed to be the youngest candidate. All of Sanders, Bloomberg, and Biden would be older than Reagan when he finished his second term if elected.

Sanders and Bloomberg would be older than Trump would be at the end of a second term if elected this time.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #72 on: March 03, 2020, 09:30:32 AM »
I think it is more of a problem in the US, given half a chance Trump would make homosexual relationships illegal. Having said that of course there are a lot of anti-gay freaks here in the UK, especially among extremist theists. But gays don't seem to fare quite so badly in the UK as they do in the US.

It is very difficult to make direct comparisons between the UK and the USA because imo we express ourselves in totally different ways. So (and I am speaking in generalities here) Americans are much more upfront.

For example last year I had some American friends over, one of whom is gay (although happily married to a woman, another story for another thread perhaps) and we went to Chester for a break where one evening he got quite merry and in the hotel bar told us about his experiences growing up gay in New York and being around at the time of Stonewall. He did this very loudly and uncompromisingly to my ears. I would suggest most gay people in the UK would be more circumspect about how they talk in public.

So in the US a forthright exposition of views is I think much more likely to create a similar forthright reaction in anyone opposed to you.

In addition we make the mistake of thinking of the US as one country. In many ways it is not and attitudes vary greatly between different states, and indeed between different areas within individual states.

Also I think it is a mistake to think that the "metropolitan" view of sexuality is widely accepted in the UK. Doncaster (other options are available) is another country compared to London.

In short, the British, most of the time, hide their prejudices behind a veneer of civility.

The Americans don't bother with the veneer.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2020, 10:30:05 AM »
It is very difficult to make direct comparisons between the UK and the USA because imo we express ourselves in totally different ways. So (and I am speaking in generalities here) Americans are much more upfront.

For example last year I had some American friends over, one of whom is gay (although happily married to a woman, another story for another thread perhaps) and we went to Chester for a break where one evening he got quite merry and in the hotel bar told us about his experiences growing up gay in New York and being around at the time of Stonewall. He did this very loudly and uncompromisingly to my ears. I would suggest most gay people in the UK would be more circumspect about how they talk in public.

So in the US a forthright exposition of views is I think much more likely to create a similar forthright reaction in anyone opposed to you.

In addition we make the mistake of thinking of the US as one country. In many ways it is not and attitudes vary greatly between different states, and indeed between different areas within individual states.

Also I think it is a mistake to think that the "metropolitan" view of sexuality is widely accepted in the UK. Doncaster (other options are available) is another country compared to London.

In short, the British, most of the time, hide their prejudices behind a veneer of civility.

The Americans don't bother with the veneer.
Agree with this - and would like to add there is no indication that Trump would like to make homosexuality illegal.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #74 on: March 04, 2020, 06:00:07 AM »
Super Tuesday for Biden. Sanders still in it but I don't think he's likely to make it.