Author Topic: US Election 2020 (Read 43510 times)

Steve H · « **Reply #75 on:** March 04, 2020, 08:17:48 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on March 02, 2020, 12:13:39 PM

I think it is more of a problem in the US, given half a chance Trump would make homosexual relationships illegal.

You have no evidence for that.

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Having said that of course there are a lot of anti-gay freaks here in the UK, especially among extremist theists.

You have no evidence for the "especially", either. Many Christians are opposed to active gay relationships, but the really nasty bigotry comes from the political hard right - UKIP, BNP, etc. - not from the religious.

Roses · « **Reply #76 on:** March 04, 2020, 08:28:22 AM »

Quote from: Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz on March 04, 2020, 08:17:48 AM

You have no evidence for that.You have no evidence for the "especially", either. Many Christians are opposed to active gay relationships, but the really nasty bigotry comes from the political hard right - UKIP, BNP, etc. - not from the religious.

Trump supports the hard right, he and the nasty Farage have a good relationship.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #77 on:** March 04, 2020, 03:29:26 PM »

Bloomberg out, and supporting Biden.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51742481

Roses · « **Reply #78 on:** March 04, 2020, 03:54:26 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 04, 2020, 03:29:26 PM

Bloomberg out, and supporting Biden.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51742481

Bloomberg didn't stand much of a chance of getting nominated.

ad_orientem · « **Reply #79 on:** March 04, 2020, 04:06:35 PM »

All the candidates liok like they've got one foot in the grave.

Robbie · « **Reply #80 on:** March 04, 2020, 04:30:32 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on March 02, 2020, 11:52:54 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51700771

It is a shame Pete Buttigieg felt he had to retire from the fray. But I suppose as a gay man he didn't stand much chance of becoming president in a country where unpleasant anti-gay bigotry is rife.

You can't generalise about the USA, it's so vast & made up of states which each have their own culture. If you went to New York you wouldn't find much anti-gay bigotry &same in other states.

Roses · « **Reply #81 on:** March 04, 2020, 04:33:23 PM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on March 04, 2020, 04:06:35 PM

All the candidates liok like they've got one foot in the grave.

Especially Sanders.

Udayana · « **Reply #82 on:** March 04, 2020, 05:09:31 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 04, 2020, 03:29:26 PM

Bloomberg out, and supporting Biden.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51742481

Endorsing Biden, but will he put his money behind him or behind the Democrats if Sanders is nominated?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #83 on:** March 05, 2020, 11:59:29 AM »

Quote from: Udayana on March 04, 2020, 05:09:31 PM

Endorsing Biden, but will he put his money behind him or behind the Democrats if Sanders is nominated?

I doubt he will if Sanders was the nominee. With Biden - difficult to tell - it seems like an extraordinary amount to have spent in such a short time, in a comparatively small election. I doubt that he would see Biden as worth that amount of investment.

Roses · « **Reply #84 on:** March 18, 2020, 08:41:27 AM »

Biden appears to be well ahead of Sanders now, and there is a suggestion that Sanders will throw in the towel.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #85 on:** March 18, 2020, 08:57:28 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on March 18, 2020, 08:41:27 AM

Biden appears to be well ahead of Sanders now, and there is a suggestion that Sanders will throw in the towel.

Can't see that he will do much good continuing and in the current situation it all seems like a bit of a sideshow

jeremyp · « **Reply #86 on:** March 18, 2020, 06:44:43 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 18, 2020, 08:57:28 AM

Can't see that he will do much good continuing and in the current situation it all seems like a bit of a sideshow

Agree with you and LR. Sanders is almost certainly finished. The problem is that he is not really a Democrat and he has only ever used the party when he thought it advantaged him. He shouldn't really have been in this contest (and neither should Biden tbh) but he'll probably carry on through bloody mindedness.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #87 on:** April 08, 2020, 04:29:50 PM »

Sanders has ceded the race to Biden.

Roses · « **Reply #88 on:** April 08, 2020, 04:49:45 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 08, 2020, 04:29:50 PM

Sanders has ceded the race to Biden.

I thought that would happen. Biden hasn't much chance of kicking Trump of the White House, they need someone much younger and full of charisma.

jeremyp · « **Reply #89 on:** April 08, 2020, 07:36:51 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on April 08, 2020, 04:49:45 PM

I thought that would happen. Biden hasn't much chance of kicking Trump of the White House, they need someone much younger and full of charisma.

In a rational world, a house plant would beat Trump. Of course, in a rational world, Trump would not be president.

Owlswing · « **Reply #90 on:** April 08, 2020, 07:50:21 PM »

Quote from: Mr Lah-di-dah Gunner Graham on March 04, 2020, 08:17:48 AM

Many Christians are opposed to active gay relationships, but the really nasty bigotry comes from the political hard right - UKIP, BNP, etc. - not from the religious.

The Catholics are pretty total in their anti-gay stance.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #91 on:** April 08, 2020, 07:53:30 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on April 08, 2020, 07:50:21 PM

The Catholics are pretty total in their anti-gay stance.

Did you read the post you responded to because I don't see any indication of it?

Steve H · « **Reply #92 on:** April 08, 2020, 10:20:38 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on April 08, 2020, 07:50:21 PM

The Catholics are pretty total in their anti-gay stance.

The official Catholic doctrine is, but many cathlic lay people are much more tolerant, and take the official line on all sorts of things with several large pinches of salt. Anyway, while the official line opposes active gay relationships, and says that the only alternatives are sex within heterosexual marriage or celibacy, they don't condemn people for having a homosexual orientation. That kind of nastiness, as I said, comes from the political hard right, and perhapds from sone fringe religious groups of the swivel-eyed persuasion.

Roses · « **Reply #93 on:** April 09, 2020, 08:24:32 AM »

Quote from: jeremyp on April 08, 2020, 07:36:51 PM

In a rational world, a house plant would beat Trump. Of course, in a rational world, Trump would not be president.

Very true, the US wasn't being rational when they voted for that lunatic Trump!

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #94 on:** April 09, 2020, 08:25:11 AM »

Quote from: Mr Lah-di-dah Gunner Graham on April 08, 2020, 10:20:38 PM

The official Catholic doctrine ... says that the only alternatives are sex within heterosexual marriage or celibacy ...

Not celibacy but chastity.

The official Catholic doctrinal view is that celibacy means not married not abstaining from sexual activity. Such abstinence is chastitiy.

Harrowby Hall · « **Reply #95 on:** April 09, 2020, 08:32:38 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on April 09, 2020, 08:24:32 AM

Very true, the US wasn't being rational when they voted for that lunatic Trump!

As has been stated before. "They" - by which you clearly mean the American people - did NOT vote for Donald Trump. The popular vote supported Mrs Clinton with a majority of nearly 3 million votes. Trump was put into power by by a historical abnormality called the Electoral College.

In reality the so-called Presidential Election is little more than a popularity poll.

ProfessorDavey · « **Reply #96 on:** April 09, 2020, 11:39:30 AM »

Quote from: Owlswing on April 08, 2020, 07:50:21 PM

The Catholics are pretty total in their anti-gay stance.

Depends what you mean by 'The Catholics'.

It is certainly true that the official line of the Catholic church is appallingly homophobic in its doctrine.

However I don't think that is necessarily true of rank and file catholics - I seem to remember a fairly recent social attitudes survey that indicated that catholics were no more likely to be against same sex relationships as the general public, and rather more liberal than many other religious groups.

The issue here isn't that catholics are out of line with the social attitudes of society generally, but that the RCC itself is out of line with its own membership on social attitudes.

Owlswing · « **Reply #97 on:** April 09, 2020, 03:48:31 PM »

Quote from: ProfessorDavey on April 09, 2020, 11:39:30 AM

Depends what you mean by 'The Catholics'.

It is certainly true that the official line of the Catholic church is appallingly homophobic in its doctrine.

However I don't think that is necessarily true of rank and file catholics - I seem to remember a fairly recent social attitudes survey that indicated that catholics were no more likely to be against same sex relationships as the general public, and rather more liberal than many other religious groups.

The issue here isn't that catholics are out of line with the social attitudes of society generally, but that the RCC itself is out of line with its own membership on social attitudes.

An eloquent condemnation of an organisation that has outlived its usefulness by several hundred years.

Yes, I am personally biased - after all it was the Catholic Church which gave history the Burning Times. Fortunately England being Ptotestant avoided this horror! As did America as, at the time, it didn't exist as a country!

jeremyp · « **Reply #98 on:** April 09, 2020, 07:28:33 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on April 09, 2020, 03:48:31 PM

An eloquent condemnation of an organisation that has outlived its usefulness by several hundred years.

Yes, I am personally biased - after all it was the Catholic Church which gave history the Burning Times. Fortunately England being Ptotestant avoided this horror!

No it didn’t. After Henry VIII got uppity with the Pope, things got pretty nasty here for a while for both Catholics and Protestants depending on who the monarch was.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #99 on:** April 13, 2020, 07:39:37 PM »

Sanders endorses Biden

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/bernie-sanders-endorses-joe-biden-for-president.html?fbclid=IwAR0zoIUTicgNw6KRDulztgxt78ua7oq2BwBnCKAs31mYH0NxqRgwrdEATus

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