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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #550 on: January 08, 2021, 01:19:39 PM »
Unconventional though he is, Trump would not endorse his supporters protesting violently.
I think you are utterly wrong there.

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As evident from his TV address telling them to go home peacefully.
It took him a while though, didn't it. Even then, he was calling them beautiful people. He's a piece of shit.

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The question, is why are the protesters so worried about Biden winning
Because they've been lied to by Trump and his acolytes over the last four years.

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and why is Trump convinced he won?

Is he convinced he won? Ever since he lost the election, he's been running a fund raiser to support his legal efforts to get the election overturned. However, the terms and conditions of the fundraiser allow him to use some of the money to pay off the debts of his election campaign. The whole stolen election thing might just be a huge scam.

On the other hand, may be the consequences of losing are so awful for him that he has convinced himself he really won as a way of coping. Much like what the early Christians did when their leader got crucified.
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If one million remainers can protest outside parliament, the actual protest of Trump's supporters is not unusual. The violent aspect probably didn't originate with Trump but others.
Trump has been stoking them up to do this for four years.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #551 on: January 08, 2021, 01:20:50 PM »
I suspect that Pence, and senior Republicans, will try and avoid the 25th Amendment like the plague, or support impeachment, for fear of offending those who have been misled by Trump but still cling to his lies - especially if Pence hopes to be in the race for the 2024 nomination.

Depends, I can see by 2024 that Trump would have been found guilty of a lot of things and hopefully in jail.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #552 on: January 08, 2021, 01:26:48 PM »
You see it your way, I see it mine!

If you are not condemning him you are supporting him - not only in my eyes but in his!

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That's the same mentality that got us to where we are. It's a false dichotomy. Furthermore, just supporting Trump doesn't make you as bad as Trump.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #553 on: January 08, 2021, 01:28:24 PM »

If a President is removed via the 25th Amendment, then they can run again.

It remains to be seen, though, whether the Republican Party would be prepared  to support his candidature. The GOP's base is actually rather greater than just QAnon and the Proud Boys. And the party itself must be concerned about the wider perception - in the USA and abroad - of its ability to be a disciplined and responsible politicalorganisation. My guess is that the GOP would not countenance Donald Trump having any political role in the furure.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #554 on: January 08, 2021, 01:28:53 PM »
When does Melania resign?

Her contact probably ays she has to stay married until after trump's term is over if she wants to get any of the money.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #555 on: January 08, 2021, 01:31:09 PM »
Can a US president run again for office if they are impeached?

Yes. In fact, Trump did.

On the other hand, if the Senate trial finds them guilty, they arecan be barred from public office.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #556 on: January 08, 2021, 01:41:53 PM »

If a President is removed via the 25th Amendment, then they can run again.

The 25th is designed to be used for any kind of incapacity and so it recognises that the president might get better. If Trump is removed under the 25th, he can reverse the decision simply by writing a letter to Congress to say he is fit for his duties. If that happens, the VP has to write again to Congress and there has to be a vote to remove the president permanently. By that time Trump's term would probably be over anyway.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #557 on: January 08, 2021, 01:48:11 PM »
Depends, I can see by 2024 that Trump would have been found guilty of a lot of things and hopefully in jail.
That is if he hasn't holed up in Turnberry like the new Assange

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #558 on: January 08, 2021, 02:08:38 PM »
I don't think Trump will go to jail, somehow he will wriggle out of it.
Think how excruciatingly embarrassing it must be to be related to him - or dependent on him in some way.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #559 on: January 08, 2021, 03:43:19 PM »
If anyone wants to read about impeachment in detail


https://fivebooks.com/best-books/impeachment-michael-j-gerhardt/

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #560 on: January 08, 2021, 04:34:52 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-55586067

Trump is not going to attend Biden's inauguration.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #561 on: January 08, 2021, 04:46:17 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-55586067

Trump is not going to attend Biden's inauguration.
He will be holed up in Turnberry typing 'All work and no play makes Don a dull boy'

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #562 on: January 08, 2021, 04:49:33 PM »
It is just as well Trump isn't going to be at the inauguration as he always likes to be centre of attention. ::)
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #563 on: January 08, 2021, 05:09:01 PM »
He will be holed up in Turnberry typing 'All work and no play makes Don a dull boy'

What are the COVID19 rules in Scotland on golf. I'd imagine that living at Turnberry but not being allowed to go outside and use the golf course would be torture for Trump.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #564 on: January 08, 2021, 05:12:48 PM »
What are the COVID19 rules in Scotland on golf. I'd imagine that living at Turnberry but not being allowed to go outside and use the golf course would be torture for Trump.
No golf currently but he will still own The Shite Inn

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #565 on: January 08, 2021, 05:20:02 PM »
No golf currently but he will still own The Shite Inn

I assume you are talking about the hotel that goes with the golf course there. As I understand it, it was in financial difficulties before the pandemic. It must be close to complete collapse by now. It would be amusing if it went bankrupt while he was there.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #566 on: January 08, 2021, 05:27:24 PM »
I assume you are talking about the hotel that goes with the golf course there. As I understand it, it was in financial difficulties before the pandemic. It must be close to complete collapse by now. It would be amusing if it went bankrupt while he was there.
Yep, but then he just gets the axe

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #567 on: January 08, 2021, 11:00:48 PM »
Anyone else worried about the inauguration in 12 days' time? After the recent appalling events, I'm sure the far-right knob-jobs will try something. I'm sure the security will be heavy, but with a big crowd, it'd be impossible to prevent really determined nutters.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #568 on: January 09, 2021, 03:24:18 AM »
Twitter should suspend him until he leaves office too.
They have done now. And I am a bit uncomfortable with it. The spirit of of the famous quote that Voltaire didn't say haunts this
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #570 on: January 09, 2021, 06:18:47 AM »
I assume you are talking about the hotel that goes with the golf course there. As I understand it, it was in financial difficulties before the pandemic. It must be close to complete collapse by now. It would be amusing if it went bankrupt while he was there.
And then, of course, ex-Presidents have a constant and life-long security escort wherever they go, and if that is so, I wonder if the Security team will get so utterly bored with him, they might desert him...
Ah, well, we'll just have to wait and see!
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #571 on: January 09, 2021, 09:43:40 AM »
And then, of course, ex-Presidents have a constant and life-long security escort wherever they go, and if that is so, I wonder if the Security team will get so utterly bored with him, they might desert him...
Ah, well, we'll just have to wait and see!
   


Whilst Trump might be able to stay at the Turnberry hotel - ssince he owns it, he may have a private suite, there might be problems under the Covid laws in accomodating any security detail.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #572 on: January 09, 2021, 10:20:49 AM »
I see Twitter has permanently banned Trump, they are concerned about him inciting more violence. He won't be happy about that as Twitter is his main social media site for communicating with the world!
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« Reply #573 on: January 09, 2021, 10:26:00 AM »
They have done now. And I am a bit uncomfortable with it. The spirit of of the famous quote that Voltaire didn't say haunts this
The flip-side of the Voltaire non-quote is that no-one is obliged to give anyone a platform. I'm sure he'd be welcome on Parler.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #574 on: January 09, 2021, 10:34:45 AM »
Bit of good news - I had a letter this morning to invite me to have a vaccination. Local number to call (between Monday to Friday) to book appointment, so I shall be doing this Monday morning!
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