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Nearly Sane

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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #75 on: October 11, 2019, 01:57:16 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 11, 2019, 01:46:49 PM
They haven't developed at all, even with human achievements to copy.
That's just piling Pelion upon the Ossa of LR's mistake about evolution.
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #76 on: October 11, 2019, 01:58:26 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 01:56:23 PM
That is an assumption with no evidence to back it up, unless you were there when they first emerged from the primeval swamp. I bet humans were very different then too and much more like apes are today.
Can you two stop with the competition to find a worse take on evolution?
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #77 on: October 11, 2019, 01:59:47 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 11, 2019, 01:58:26 PM
Can you two stop with the competition to find a worse take on evolution?

Ehhhhhhhhhhh? I didn't think this was a competition, I am one of the least competitive people in the universe.
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #78 on: October 11, 2019, 02:03:31 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 01:59:47 PM
Ehhhhhhhhhhh? I didn't think this was a competition, I am one of the least competitive people in the universe.
Who removed the words sarcasm and humour from your dictionary?
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #79 on: October 11, 2019, 02:39:24 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 11, 2019, 02:03:31 PM
Who removed the words sarcasm and humour from your dictionary?

If I had any feelings they would be hurt. :'( ;D
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2019, 02:42:18 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 02:39:24 PM
If I had any feelings they would be hurt. :'( ;D
The thieving so and so stole your feelings as well! Lock them up!
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #81 on: October 11, 2019, 02:55:02 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 11, 2019, 02:42:18 PM
The thieving so and so stole your feelings as well! Lock them up!

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ;D
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #82 on: October 11, 2019, 04:31:31 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 11, 2019, 01:49:29 PM
What on earth has that got to do with the fact that we have developed complex tools, and apes haven't?

That we've evolved the suite of required capacities and the other apes haven't at this point in our evolution isn't necessarily indicative of anything, is the point I was making.

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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #83 on: October 11, 2019, 04:32:35 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 11, 2019, 01:51:27 PM
I'd like a reference for that assertion, please.

Which 'assertion'? That ravens can work out complex mechanisms, or that the capacity to work them out is the same cognitive skill as is required to implement them?

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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2019, 10:13:01 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 11, 2019, 01:56:23 PM
That is an assumption with no evidence to back it up, unless you were there when they first emerged from the primeval swamp. I bet humans were very different then too and much more like apes are today.
What the bloody blue bollocking blazes are you wittering on about? Show me a complex tool designed and made by a gorilla or chimp: the lack of evidence is the evidence!
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2019, 10:15:58 PM »
Quote from: Outrider on October 11, 2019, 04:31:31 PM
That we've evolved the suite of required capacities and the other apes haven't at this point in our evolution isn't necessarily indicative of anything, is the point I was making.

O.
It's indicative of the fact that, at the moment, humans are unique in the their mental capacity.
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2019, 10:16:40 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 11, 2019, 01:57:16 PM
That's just piling Pelion upon the Ossa of LR's mistake about evolution.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2019, 10:22:25 PM »
To pile on the agony with no positive result, in other words, pointless rhetoric.
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #88 on: October 11, 2019, 10:28:58 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on October 11, 2019, 10:22:25 PM
To pile on the agony with no positive result, in other words, pointless rhetoric.
I know what the expression "to pile Ossa on Pelion" means; I mean, what mistake does NS think I'm making?
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #89 on: October 11, 2019, 10:32:05 PM »
Sorry, no idea. Don't suppose LR knows either  :D.
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #90 on: October 11, 2019, 10:34:17 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on October 11, 2019, 10:32:05 PM
Sorry, no idea. Don't suppose LR knows either  :D.
Oops! I meant NS, not LR. Previous post edited.
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #91 on: October 11, 2019, 10:43:51 PM »
Oh right, I don't know that either. Wait till NS returns.
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #92 on: October 12, 2019, 06:08:37 AM »
Quote from: Outrider on October 11, 2019, 12:10:43 PM
To be fair, everything sounds more scientific than 'God did it'.  At the submolecular level it probably isn't a random event, but functionally at the level of individual organisms it is.

'We don't know' is also and infinitely more scientific answer than 'God did it', which is just 'We don't know, but with added magic'.

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As Sean Carroll says somewhere...we can't keep looking at the world as sub atomic...classical...cosmic....as though they are three separate worlds.   Everything is basically quantum in its nature and that is the physical reality. The classical world is merely our perception.
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #93 on: October 12, 2019, 07:45:48 AM »
(&) Lewis Carroll said:-

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?”
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"Humans are amphibians - half spirit and half animal. As spirits they belong to the eternal world, but as animals they inhabit time."
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #94 on: October 12, 2019, 08:18:01 AM »
Quote from: Robbie on October 12, 2019, 07:45:48 AM
(&) Lewis Carroll said:-

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?”
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C S Lewis said:-

"Humans are amphibians - half spirit and half animal. As spirits they belong to the eternal world, but as animals they inhabit time."

What is your definition of 'spirit'?
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #95 on: October 12, 2019, 08:39:14 AM »
Whisky

(I'm channelling my inner Walter)
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #96 on: October 12, 2019, 08:46:24 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on October 12, 2019, 08:39:14 AM
Whisky

(I'm channelling my inner Walter)

A single malt whisky is pleasant, although I only drink alcohol on very special occasions these days, and in strict moderation.
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #97 on: October 12, 2019, 01:39:48 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on October 12, 2019, 07:45:48 AM
(&) Lewis Carroll said:-

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?”
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"It's no use going back to yesterday because i was a different person then."

C S Lewis said:-

"Humans are amphibians - half spirit and half animal. As spirits they belong to the eternal world, but as animals they inhabit time."


Yes....looks like some westerners have also had the same animal-divine impression of humans.  It makes perfect sense of the observed world without making the divine into something 'out there'.  The divine is just a word for that part of our inner being that we need to bring out.   
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #98 on: October 12, 2019, 02:39:02 PM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on October 12, 2019, 08:39:14 AM
Whisky

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trent,

let it out. I guarantee you'll feel much better  ;)
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Re: Are humans unique?
« Reply #99 on: October 12, 2019, 02:42:08 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 12, 2019, 08:18:01 AM
What is your definition of 'spirit'?

I did say it tongue in cheek, LR;
however :-

Spirit:
the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.
"we seek a harmony between body and spirit"

'the prevailing or typical quality, mood, or attitude of a person, group, or period of time'.
"I hope the team will build on this spirit of confidence"
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