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Re: 'Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among Filipino boys..'
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2020, 06:23:22 AM »
Weird & grim. You don't hear about Jews and Muslims in this country, nor many from Africa and most Americans, being traumatised. Perhaps its because the filipinos are circumcised later and here it is done in infancy, quick and painless & they know no different. I'm no authority on the subject though.
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Re: 'Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among Filipino boys..'
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2020, 11:43:56 AM »
Circumcision should only be carried out if a boy has a medical problem which makes it necessary, never for any other reason.
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Re: 'Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among Filipino boys..'
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2020, 02:50:26 PM »
I have written about this on a few occasions before.

I was circumcised, perhaps a couple of days after my birth, by the midwife who delivered me. I was born at a time when home births were considered to be the norm and when the majority of boys were circumcised (evidence - changing rooms in school gyms/swimming pools etc). It was a service offered by midwives, no doubt for a small financial consideration.

There was never any clinical consideration - it was the fashion.

It was not the fashion in continental Europe, however. My belief is that this was because English was not spoken in France, Germany, Spain, Holland ... or wherever, and this protected people in those countries from fashions being imported from the USA where circumcision was (and possibly still is) commonplace.

The reason for this was the advocacy - in the 19th century - for any practice which would reduce an individual's interest in sexual activity. And its High Priest was a physician: Dr John Harvey Kellogg. Kellogg also advocated placing a drop of phenol on the clitoris of baby girls. Kellogg believed that sexual activity used up vital reserves of energy and should be restricted to reproduction activity only. In order to ensure that such energy could not be stored in the body, he invented a breakfast food which, he believed, was of little nutritional value and would not provide energy which could be used for sexual activity: the corn flake.

I have no idea whether or not the removal of a highly innervated fold of skin from my infant penis has had any affect on my enjoyment of sex during my life but I did become very angry when I realised that I had been mutilated merely because it was the custom of the day. I did not direct my anger at my mother, she was only conforming to the prevailing norm. Since it had been practised by a qualified nurse, she would have believed it was for the "best".

My experience is not quite that of the unfortunate boys in the Philippines, but in its way was just as ritualistic and socially determined. I don't think it has caused me to experience PTSD but it has left me wondering ...

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Re: 'Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among Filipino boys..'
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2020, 05:14:23 PM »
I remember us talking about this before, Mr Kellogg and his weird (evil) ideas. I asked my mother in law if she ever performed circumcision on boys when she was a district midwife years ago - she's 89 - & she said it wasn't part of her training so, no. One of my nephews was circumcised for some problem, he was about two I think. He's been OK ever since, 24 now. Husband was too & has had no difficulties as a result (I would know).

In theory I believe no boys should be circumcised without medical reasons but they must be taught to clean themselves properly. It's not something about which I feel particularly strongly but I've actually known women who've said they wouldn't go with a man who wasn't circumcised! Can't say Iwould ever have asked in advance, never thought about it but I do think circumcised men are cleaner (and it looks nicer). Jews and Muslims don't complain about the practice.
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Re: 'Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among Filipino boys..'
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2020, 05:31:40 PM »
Robbie,

I once considered having myself circumcised but I couldn't overcome the last major drawback !

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Re: 'Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among Filipino boys..'
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2020, 05:33:20 PM »
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Re: 'Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among Filipino boys..'
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2020, 07:38:57 PM »
Weird & grim. You don't hear about Jews and Muslims in this country, nor many from Africa and most Americans, being traumatised. Perhaps its because the filipinos are circumcised later and here it is done in infancy, quick and painless & they know no different. I'm no authority on the subject though.

These little snippets of information you keep on giving us Robbie?

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Re: 'Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among Filipino boys..'
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2020, 07:47:14 PM »

In theory I believe no boys should be circumcised without medical reasons but they must be taught to clean themselves properly. It's not something about which I feel particularly strongly but I've actually known women who've said they wouldn't go with a man who wasn't circumcised! Can't say Iwould ever have asked in advance, never thought about it but I do think circumcised men are cleaner (and it looks nicer).

Who cares about its appearance? It is function that counts.  I have read somewhere that circumcised and intact men actually behave differently in coitus. Circumcised men require longer strokes to achieve equivalent levels of stimulation.

Has it not occurred to you that the glans-prepuce interface is, like the vagina, self-cleaning?
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Re: 'Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among Filipino boys..'
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2020, 09:08:53 PM »
I shouldn't have talked about how it looked, it just came to me as I was typing - a friend of mine said as much years ago which at the time I thought was funny. I wish I hadn't said it now but no point deleting.

"Circumcised men require longer strokes to achieve equivalent levels of stimulation."

Maybe some do in the same way as some uncircumcised men but I've not known of that. We are all different when it comes to sexual responses.

Regarding cleaning, I found this on an NHS site (apologies to any who think it's TMI), (doesn't apply to infants):
Gently wash the penis with warm water each day when you're having a shower or bath. If you have a foreskin, pull it back gently and wash underneath. If you don't wash underneath the foreskin correctly, a cheesy-looking substance called smegma may begin to gather.


That's what I always thought, it would be quite yeuch if a man didn't wash himself properly.  As for the vagina being self cleansing, yes, up to a point but it still has to be thoroughly washed, front to back, with fresh water. We'd all smell something terrible and be uncomfortably 'icky' if that wasn't done.

For all that, I'm not advocating circumcision at all and think it's unnecessary if there is no medical reason. However a great number of the male population of the world has been circumcised and appears not to have problems as a result of it. We're not going to stop our Jewish and Muslim friends from having the procedure, they believe it has significance, enjoy full lives and father children. I doubt they give it a second thought even though they had no say in the matter when they were infants. If the practice stops I think it will be a long time in the future.



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