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Veganism
« on: January 04, 2020, 12:58:50 PM »
A more general thread, to supplement the more specific one in the philosophy section.
Should we all be vegan? Ideally, yes, on both animal-rights and ecological grounds, and perhaps for our own health's sake as well.. I'm not one, but I am at least eating less meat than I once did. I couldn't give up dairy, though: I want milk in my tea and cheese, and vegan substitutes don't cut the mustard.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2020, 03:34:33 PM »
Is it possible to be a vegan and not annoying? Mind you, they're not quite as annoying as the lactose intolerant lot.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2020, 04:26:31 PM »
Typical gammon response. My ex-sister-in-law and her husband are vegan, and not remotely annoying. I've met other vegsns as well, and have signally failed to be annoyed by them. Ramesh Ranganathan is vegan and displays a remarkable lack of annoyingness. Gammons, on the other hand...
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2020, 04:35:00 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 04, 2020, 03:34:33 PM
Is it possible to be a vegan and not annoying? Mind you, they're not quite as annoying as the lactose intolerant lot.
or the Oliphant in the room  ::)
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2020, 05:30:27 PM »
Quote from: Oliphant Chuckerbutty on January 04, 2020, 04:26:31 PM
Typical gammon response. My ex-sister-in-law and her husband are vegan, and not remotely annoying. I've met other vegsns as well, and have signally failed to be annoyed by them. Ramesh Ranganathan is vegan and displays a remarkable lack of annoyingness. Gammons, on the other hand...

Gammon? Eh? WTF is that?
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2020, 05:32:25 PM »
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2020, 05:33:32 PM »
Quote from: Oliphant Chuckerbutty on January 04, 2020, 04:26:31 PM
Typical gammon response. My ex-sister-in-law and her husband are vegan, and not remotely annoying. I've met other vegsns as well, and have signally failed to be annoyed by them. Ramesh Ranganathan is vegan and displays a remarkable lack of annoyingness. Gammons, on the other hand...

They're annoying because they expect to be catered for and they always let everyone know. I don't need to know and I couldn't give a shit.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2020, 05:36:24 PM »
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2020, 06:12:58 PM »
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2020, 01:38:29 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 04, 2020, 05:33:32 PM
They're annoying because they expect to be catered for and they always let everyone know. I don't need to know and I couldn't give a shit.
How many vegans do you know? How many have told you, without being asked, thatt they were vegan?
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2020, 01:50:24 PM »
Our middle daughter's latest interest is veganism, with a bit of luck it won't last long, LOL.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2020, 02:18:03 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on January 06, 2020, 01:50:24 PM
Our middle daughter's latest interest is veganism, with a bit of luck it won't last long, LOL.
Why do you hope it won't last long?
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2020, 02:20:10 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 06, 2020, 02:18:03 PM
Why do you hope it won't last long?

Our girl has various medical conditions, which have worsened since she took up veganism.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2020, 02:21:56 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on January 06, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
Our girl has various medical conditions, which have worsened since she took up veganism.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2020, 02:27:45 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 06, 2020, 02:21:56 PM
Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Even she thinks her latest craze might have caused her problems, she is spending a fortune on vitamin supplements.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2020, 02:45:57 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on January 06, 2020, 02:27:45 PM
Even she thinks her latest craze might have caused her problems, she is spending a fortune on vitamin supplements.
And now poisoning the well - you and AB love the fallacies.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2020, 03:03:57 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 06, 2020, 02:45:57 PM
And now poisoning the well - you and AB love the fallacies.

Explain?
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2020, 03:07:43 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on January 06, 2020, 03:03:57 PM
Explain?
Calling it a 'craze' is poisoning the well. And that followed on from your post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2020, 03:25:46 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 06, 2020, 03:07:43 PM
Calling it a 'craze' is poisoning the well. And that followed on from your post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

I wasn't actually referring to veganism in general,  but my daughter and the things she takes up for a while before moving onto something else.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2020, 03:34:46 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on January 06, 2020, 03:25:46 PM
I wasn't actually referring to veganism in general,  but my daughter and the things she takes up for a while before moving onto something else.
so that's the ad hominem fallacy. House!
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2020, 04:34:26 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 06, 2020, 03:34:46 PM
so that's the ad hominem fallacy. House!

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Re: Veganism
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2020, 09:15:46 PM »
I've just read this article:- https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/89/5/1627S/4596952
It's very detailed but weighing it all up, if vegans are careful and scrupulously attentive to their diet there's no reason why they cannot be healthy. They usually are more careful than meat eaters who have more dietary related health problems.

I don't think I could take the next step and become vegan, I prefer a less complicated relationship with food.  However I admire those who do as long as they're not evangelical about it which some say they often are. I only know one vegan and she isn't.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2020, 10:29:57 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 06, 2020, 02:21:56 PM
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
"After this, therefore because of this", which is presumably the opposite of what you mean.
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Re: Veganism
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2020, 10:15:17 AM »
Quote from: Oliphant Chuckerbutty on January 06, 2020, 10:29:57 PM
"After this, therefore because of this", which is presumably the opposite of what you mean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
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