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Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« on: January 22, 2020, 11:33:16 AM »
Did anyone see this programme last night on Channel 4? It was a real eye-opener for me. I have been aware of the growing mental health crisis of course, but for some reason this seemed much easier for me to relate to the people in the programme.

They followed the progress of a mother of a newborn who suddenly experienced psychosis after the birth of her daughter and tried to drive into a brick wall with her husband and baby in the car. The husband said his wife was an organised, go-getting, clever, mentally strong, switched-on person before her daughter was born and suddenly this illness came out of nowhere within the first few weeks after birth and she became anxious and paranoid and very very ill, whereby she had to be sectioned on a mother and baby ward to keep them all safe. She was recovering and then became ill again, becoming convinced she was going to suddenly become extremely rich - and that was her reality to the point where she was trying to build and buy an expensive car online. Although she is recovering, they wanted to have another baby but are worried it could trigger the illness again.

They also followed the progress of an 11 year old who wanted to kill herself because she was so overwhelmed with life. It was hard watching her writhe in distress on her mother's lap and the parents helplessly trying to take the pain away by hugging her and reassuring her. She was unable to go to school because it would trigger the anxiety. She was eventually diagnosed with being on the autistic spectrum.

Really amazing what the NHS Mental Health crisis team could do for them - but clearly not enough doctors and nurses and therapists to help the increasing number of people presenting with these symptoms.

Next week will be an episode on teenage self-harm. The programme resonated with me because my daughter became 15 a few months ago. As she is a fairly high achiever and gets great school reports, I have become quite slack as a parent, so recently I have had to really get on top of limiting access to social media at home. I explained that when we came home from school as teens we got to have a healthy break from the influences of the outside world - there was the odd phone call and the TV but both of those were in public areas and you weren't interacting with the people on TV.

After hearing from my daughter about what her friends are up to e.g. talking to sex-obsessed adults and teen boys on-line who apparently think nothing of being sexually crude to girls or sending a dick pic (probably not their actual dick but a random image from the internet) to a girl they have just started messaging on a group chat or in a chat room and asking for a selfie in return (and some girls are gullible enough to send their real picture), reading suicidal, masochistic, sadistic fan fiction online, and how they suffer from anxiety, seem to be self-harming, feeling suicidal, taking drugs and they also seem confused and trying on different sexual identities because all of these things seem to apparently be the trend and the teenage norm these days if you want to distract yourself from emotional anxiety or seem cool and interesting and edgy (the same way binge drinking, drugs and going out with older men was the teenage norm if you wanted to seem cool and edgy and interesting when I was a teen), I decided I would have to be an idiot to assume that just because my daughter appeared to be doing well at school, this stuff was not something she was curious about or dabbling in, in order to fit in, and that it was probably a lot of the reason for her less than optimistic outlook. It's worrying that her friends' parents appear to not know what their children are up to, probably because the children, like my daughter, are proficient at presenting a happy facade to their parents in order to hide the dark thoughts going on in their heads.

I used to have my daughter's phone passcode so I could go on any time to check. Also she has Netflix - I refused to sign up for an account but she has been using a friend's login and password for the past 2 years to watch probably totally unsuitable programmes on her phone. I think it's probably time to block access to Netflix on my router at home and only allow access at specific times - where she has to ask to go on Netflix. She has data but it will run out if she tries to go on Netflix for a long time.

Anyway, I've recently done the whole responsible parenting thing which I should have done a year ago - asked for her phone passcode again (she has my passcode and access to my phone so I said it was no different to that) and limited her time on the phone and laptop and not allowed her to use them in the bedroom. I know she could still access dodgy, nihilistic material or people on the internet when she does have her phone but hopefully this will limit the time spent doing that, which hopefully will help adjust her perspective. I can appreciate that she feels the need to access some dodgy stuff in order to feel edgy and interesting and be able to be part of the conversation at school.

It seems really tough for parents to try to compete with the influences of social media and the internet on their children and to help with their children's confusion and anxiety as the children feel pulled in so many different directions with so many different identities available to them - everything from school shooter to extremism to self-harm to victim to saviour of the planet, plus the increasing permutations and combinations of sexual identity. It seems like the wider the choices available, the more confused and anxious children appear to become about where they fit in and who they should be and for some reason they seem to think they have to decide all of this and their future right this minute as for them time feels like it is running out - no wonder it makes their head spin. I feel sorry for them.
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Re: Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2020, 04:24:56 PM »
I'm often thankful I was born and grew up when I did. I'm also glad that I'll probably be dead when humanity reaches peak fucked-uppidness.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2020, 04:27:16 PM »
I'm often thankful I was born and grew up when I did. I'm also glad that I'll probably be dead when humanity reaches peak fucked-uppidness.

Do you think this is more prevalent these days, then, or am I misunderstanding what you've put?

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2020, 04:35:10 PM »
Do you think this is more prevalent these days, then, or am I misunderstanding what you've put?

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My fault. In my absent mindedness I forgot to mention that my post was in relation to the social media aspect of the OP.
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Re: Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2020, 04:42:41 PM »
My fault. In my absent mindedness I forgot to mention that my post was in relation to the social media aspect of the OP.

Ah, I see - that's why I checked, it seemed out of character for you :)

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Re: Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2020, 05:40:20 PM »
Did anyone see this programme last night on Channel 4? It was a real eye-opener for me. I have been aware of the growing mental health crisis of course, but for some reason this seemed much easier for me to relate to the people in the programme.

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Didn't see the programme .. no doubt would find it too depressing, but I am familiar with some of the kinds of problems you describe.

We don't know what life is for, we don't know what we want and we don't know what to do about being unhappy. Humanity, especially in the more developed parts, is going through a kind of existential psychosis and the prognosis is not good.

I would not agree that idea of "responsible parenting" with emphasis on more restrictions to exposure to media, social media, or people or ideas and closer policing is likely to help develop adults that are able to cope with increasing pressure.

As some say "It takes a village ..." but we no longer live in villages. What everyone really needs is the time and attention to be able to think things through and to discuss what is happening to them and what to do about it, with the people around them. Then we might be able to understand and respond to those with other interests trying to influence or pressure us.
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Re: Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2020, 12:24:34 AM »
Didn't see the programme .. no doubt would find it too depressing, but I am familiar with some of the kinds of problems you describe.

We don't know what life is for, we don't know what we want and we don't know what to do about being unhappy. Humanity, especially in the more developed parts, is going through a kind of existential psychosis and the prognosis is not good.

I would not agree that idea of "responsible parenting" with emphasis on more restrictions to exposure to media, social media, or people or ideas and closer policing is likely to help develop adults that are able to cope with increasing pressure.

As some say "It takes a village ..." but we no longer live in villages. What everyone really needs is the time and attention to be able to think things through and to discuss what is happening to them and what to do about it, with the people around them. Then we might be able to understand and respond to those with other interests trying to influence or pressure us.
I agree that teens will be exposed to media and ideas and will have to learn to cope with them through this exposure. But the brain of a teen is still growing so is more vulnerable than an adult brain.

The issue for me is that smart phones are designed to be highly addictive and for me any addiction is problematic. So while I am ok with exposure I assume I am not supposed to be ok with a teen not being capable of switching off and thereby becoming addicted and their perspective being skewed by that addiction, hence the need for a parent to step in and break the addiction by restricting access to the source of the addiction.

I think leaving teens to their own devices for long periods of time will probably lead to risk-taking behaviour through boredom or lack of alternative stimulation. At any rate, that was my experience - I started drinking as a teen due to lack of supervision and boredom.   

Restricting the phone time and social media time means people have more time to talk to each other in person and also means their dependency on phones and electronic interaction diminishes. Social media seems to be full of staged photos, captions and brief comments rather than meaningful interaction and connections.

On the other hand, even if there is more time to talk meaningfully, I can't actually make much sense out of the current teen existential crises that I hear about - they seem more intense than anything I experienced growing up or maybe I have a bad memory. I just remember going through some angst that we all seem to have to go through as part of growing up. I stopped having an existential crisis once I got my first proper job as the success of getting selected and the financial security of a monthly salary helped give me self-esteem, control and direction.

I don't have the answers - all I have is my perspective and personality based on my own unique genetic make-up and experiences so not sure how much help I would be to someone else trying to make sense of their own crisis from talking to me.
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Re: Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2020, 08:41:37 AM »
Thanks for the heads up, I might watch that tonight.
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Re: Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2020, 08:50:27 AM »
Like Udayana noted I think I would find this too depressing to watch.

It is certainly a far cry from my teenage years which seemed mostly to be dominated by long, incredibly boring discussions about the relative merits of Melody Maker and the New Musical Express. That and listening with friends to Led Zeppelin, or in what felt to me like a bizarre juxtaposition, Cat Stevens LP's, which most of my friends worshipped as if they were gods (I did not).
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Re: Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2020, 09:44:37 AM »


The issue for me is that smart phones are designed to be highly addictive and for me any addiction is problematic.

Something on addiction from this BBC link:  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50828086

"Gambling, alongside the use of substances like drugs and alcohol and even activities like shopping, can become an addiction when its use becomes compulsive and spirals out of control.

These addictions stem from two separate reward pathways in the brain that affect our behaviour - liking and wanting.

Liking describes the spontaneous delight of eating a chocolate biscuit. Wanting is our desire to have one when we see a packet of chocolate biscuits in the supermarket.

Wanting something motivates us - it makes us desire things and do them repeatedly.

In essence, addiction can be simply viewed as rewiring of these reward systems.

When people become addicted to gambling, or to drugs, these wanting and liking systems are no longer intertwined. The wanting remains constant, but the feeling of liking what we get is reduced.

The addicted person needs to engage in more of the behaviour or the drug to get the same pleasure.

Certain factors leave some people at greater risk of addiction. This can include having family members with addictions, or encountering high-level stress or adversity - experiences which relate to the way we are nurtured."

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Re: Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2020, 10:55:17 AM »
Thanks Ekim - the human brain certainly seems to have a lot of potential to destroy the human it is housed in.

There is a girl in my daughter's year who seems to have adopted an outlook of not engaging in the superficial possibly self-destructive interests of her peers - alcohol, drugs, craving attention and validation through relationships that may be exploitative, reading nihilistic fan fiction and just generally doing what they can to make themselves feel as crap about themselves as possible.

She seems more interested in documentaries on politics and the environment - her father is a local councillor - and she got lots of flak apparently for sending a group email to her whole year highlighting a documentary that she thought they should watch.  As a result she has no friends in school really because she is not on the general teenage wavelength. She does not have the opportunity of finding like-minded friends while she is stuck in the school environment for most of the day. I can understand why teens find it difficult to do their own thing.

Must be really hard for young people to not feel like they connect with the people they are forced to be with for most of the day. That seems to be the issue for many teens - they do all this mindless stuff together but are aware that they do not really connect in any meaningful way with their friends but at that age friendship and peer approval seems to have a much higher priority than it does when you become an adult and are busy with the mountains of admin involved in managing your life and you have the resources to be more choosy about who you want to interact or connect with or the interests you want to pursue.

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2020, 08:19:02 PM »
I have watched it. The poor little eleven year old girl with panic attacks and suicidal ideation was terrible. I really do hope she receives sufficient help to be able to divert intrusive thoughts. She was a sweetie. The woman with post partum psychosis - how frightening must that be? I can't get these out of my mind.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2020, 10:46:27 AM »
I have watched it. The poor little eleven year old girl with panic attacks and suicidal ideation was terrible. I really do hope she receives sufficient help to be able to divert intrusive thoughts. She was a sweetie. The woman with post partum psychosis - how frightening must that be? I can't get these out of my mind.
Yes. She must have been in some serious emotional pain to tell her parents that she is thinking that she wants to go outside and lie in the road when they asked her what she was thinking. And then she actually started spasming in pain. And she was only 11.

And the lady with post-partum psychosis - perfectly normal one minute and then she has a baby and the next minute she becomes ill as her brain stops functioning normally and she tries to kill herself, her baby and her husband by driving into a wall. And the way she described what was going on in her mind at the time and how she had no control of her thoughts and perceptions was chilling as it could happen to any of us.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2020, 10:58:31 AM »
Anything could happen to any of us but the point of society, a welfare society, is that everyone gets the support and care that they need and avoid needless suffering.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2020, 02:48:11 PM »
Yes. The NHS mental health service is woefully inadequate. If a patient doesn't want drugs or drugs don't suit them, they are discharged. GPs can arrange counselling and CBT; CBT is short term & only suitable for acute problems which cause reactive depression; NHS funded counselling is also short term, only 6-8 sessions free. However it is possible to have long term counselling/psychotherapy cheap or for free because many therapists work for an organisation with charitable status(Westminster Pastoral Foundation is one, Cruise another); therefore those who can afford to pay, pay, and those who cannot are subsidised but not all needy clients are in the know.

I still can't stop thinking (not obsessively :-) ), about the two cases shown in the first programme. That is no bad thing, we all need to be aware that our closest neighbours may be in terrible difficulty and don't show it. At any time in life we may be in need of a helping hand & guidance towards other, professional help.

This is an organisation I've only recently discovered; I need to know a bit more about it but so far I think I would support it:- https://www.maytree.org.uk/



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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2020, 07:28:04 AM »
Yes. The NHS mental health service is woefully inadequate. If a patient doesn't want drugs or drugs don't suit them, they are discharged. GPs can arrange counselling and CBT; CBT is short term & only suitable for acute problems which cause reactive depression; NHS funded counselling is also short term, only 6-8 sessions free. However it is possible to have long term counselling/psychotherapy cheap or for free because many therapists work for an organisation with charitable status(Westminster Pastoral Foundation is one, Cruise another); therefore those who can afford to pay, pay, and those who cannot are subsidised but not all needy clients are in the know.

I still can't stop thinking (not obsessively :-) ), about the two cases shown in the first programme. That is no bad thing, we all need to be aware that our closest neighbours may be in terrible difficulty and don't show it. At any time in life we may be in need of a helping hand & guidance towards other, professional help.

This is an organisation I've only recently discovered; I need to know a bit more about it but so far I think I would support it:- https://www.maytree.org.uk/
Thanks for those useful links Robbie. Yes very true about being more aware of the struggles of neighbours. I do not really know anyone with mental health problems that I am aware of - not anyone I interact with closely. There could be people who have just hidden it well enough for me not to be aware. My cousin in the US has schizophrenia and I have chatted to her about episodes when I see her - we will go for a hike together. She is in IT and has a Masters in Computer Programming but stress can trigger attacks. In the past she has had to be sectioned for her own safety after wandering off in a delusional state. She has a brother and a sister but her parents are both dead.

There is a gentleman in the office with schizophrenia- he was part of the practice when we bought it from his brother, but I do not interact with him often as I am rarely at that office much, and when I do go he is often not there as his hours are short and he does not work every day.

Some days he is too unwell and some days I hear he comes in and starts being very rude and yelling at the staff under the influence of some kind of paranoid belief. He is sent home and my husband has to call his brother and advise him that his medication may need adjusting or that he may even be skipping his medication.
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Re: Losing It: Our Mental Health Emergency - Channel 4
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2020, 07:32:28 AM »
Anything could happen to any of us but the point of society, a welfare society, is that everyone gets the support and care that they need and avoid needless suffering.
True. But the treatment and care options seem limited - partly lack of funding but also lack of knowledge about what is causing the illness in order to figure out an effective treatment.

What makes it more difficult is that people who are sick generally know they are sick whereas people with mental health problems often cannot recognise that they are ill as the organ that recognises this is the organ that is sick.
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