Eric Joyce: Ex-Labour MP sentenced for child sex offence

[Nearly Sane]

Seems quite a light sentence given the description of the clip.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-53694012

[Roses]

He should have been sent down, the evil piece of scum!

[Aruntraveller]

Knee jerk fully operative.

[Roses]

Knee jerk fully operative.

Paedophiles are the lowest life forms, imo.

[Nearly Sane]

All of it seems less compared to this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8568833/amp/Paedophile-Labour-councillor-worked-childrens-home-walks-free.html?__twitter_impression=true

[Aruntraveller]

Paedophiles are the lowest life forms, imo.

Lower than Trump?

[Steve H]

Paedophiles are the lowest life forms, imo.

Lower than terrorists?

[Roses]

Lower than terrorists?

Certainly as low as terrorists, the harm they can do can damage some people for life.

[Owlswing]

Certainly as low as terrorists, the harm they can do can damage some people for life.

Ignore him! He considers that his standards, in everything, and opinions, on everything, are far superior to anyone else, especially anyone posting on this Forum.

[Aruntraveller]

Ignore him! He considers that his standards, in everything, and opinions, on everything, are far superior to anyone else, especially anyone posting on this Forum.

I have to disagree. LR stated that "Paedophiles are the lowest life forms, imo.". The lowest, lower than any other. All Steve and I were doing was challenging that.

If you want to view things in absolutist terms ( I don't subscribe to that) then are they lower than murderers?

[Roses]

I have to disagree. LR stated that "Paedophiles are the lowest life forms, imo.". The lowest, lower than any other. All Steve and I were doing was challenging that.

If you want to view things in absolutist terms ( I don't subscribe to that) then are they lower than murderers?

Maybe I should have said they are on a par with terrorists and murderers.

[Aruntraveller]

The young politician charged through imperial atrocities, defending each in turn. When concentration camps were built in South Africa, for white Boers, he said they produced “the minimum of suffering”. The death toll was almost 28,000, and when at least 115,000 black Africans were likewise swept into British camps, where 14,000 died, he wrote only of his “irritation that Kaffirs should be allowed to fire on white men”. Later, he boasted of his experiences there: “That was before war degenerated. It was great fun galloping about.”

Then as an MP he demanded a rolling programme of more conquests, based on his belief that “the Aryan stock is bound to triumph”. There seems to have been an odd cognitive dissonance in his view of the “natives”. In some of his private correspondence, he appears to really believe they are helpless children who will “willingly, naturally, gratefully include themselves within the golden circle of an ancient crown”.

But when they defied this script, the politician demanded they be crushed with extreme force. As Colonial Secretary in the 1920s, he unleashed the notorious Black and Tan thugs on Ireland’s Catholic civilians, and when the Kurds rebelled against British rule, he said: “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes...[It] would spread a lively terror.”
Up to 3 million people starved to death while British officials begged the politician to direct food supplies to the region. He bluntly refused. He raged that it was their own fault for “breeding like rabbits”. At other times, he said the plague was “merrily” culling the population.

Source: The Independent

I have removed the politician's name from this (most will guess the identity I'm sure), but LR on a reading of this, is this politician on a par with paedophiles?

[Owlswing]

I have to disagree. LR stated that "Paedophiles are the lowest life forms, imo.". The lowest, lower than any other. All Steve and I were doing were challenging that.

If you want to view things in absolutist terms ( I don't subscribe to that) then are they lower than murderers?

In a way I would say "Yes" in that they are "murdering" a child's innocence, their childhood; they are taking away an important part of their life, a part that can never be recovered.

I have to say, that this response is coloured by personal experience!

[Roses]

In a way I would say "Yes" in that they are "murdering" a child's innocence, their childhood; they are taking away an important part of their life, a part that can never be recovered.

I have to say, that this response is coloured by personal experience!

I can't claim to have had my life ruined by the sexual abuse I encountered as a teenager because it was more a case of being touched inappropriately than actually being raped. However, so many children are raped and sexually abused in the worst way possible, even young babies. Sometimes it leaves them physically damaged for life as well as mentally scarred. The paedophiles who perpetrate such acts should be locked away for life, as they can never be trusted not to commit those crimes again.

[Steve H]

Ignore him! He considers that his standards, in everything, and opinions, on everything, are far superior to anyone else, especially anyone posting on this Forum.

That is absolutely not true. I have more than once changed my mind publicly on here when presented with convincing counter-arguments. In fact, it probably applies to me least of all. An apology is in order.

[Robbie]

You won't get one Micawb but be optimistic - something will turn up :-). FWIW I don't think you or Trent consider your opinions to be superior to those of others but it's probable your accuser believes his will be considered inferior. All chips should be removed on entering R&E.

[Nearly Sane]

You won't get one Micawb but be optimistic - something will turn up :-). FWIW I don't think you or Trent consider your opinions to be superior to those of others but it's probable your accuser believes his will be considered inferior. All chips should be removed on entering R&E.

but then it would just fade and die

[jeremyp]

As long as we are intent on making a list of the World's worst people in order, is this person - who as far as I know is guilty only of possessing child porn - as bad as the people who made the films? Is he as bad as people who actually sexually assault the children?

I think Trent's quote from the Independent shows that this is a far more complex issue than just grading people on a linear scale. Does saving the country from the Nazis make up for the Black and Tans?

[Roses]

As long as we are intent on making a list of the World's worst people in order, is this person - who as far as I know is guilty only of possessing child porn - as bad as the people who made the films? Is he as bad as people who actually sexually assault the children?

I think Trent's quote from the Independent shows that this is a far more complex issue than just grading people on a linear scale. Does saving the country from the Nazis make up for the Black and Tans?

ONLY, YE GODS!!!!!!!!

[Robbie]

As long as we are intent on making a list of the World's worst people in order, is this person - who as far as I know is guilty only of possessing child porn - as bad as the people who made the films? Is he as bad as people who actually sexually assault the children?

I think Trent's quote from the Independent shows that this is a far more complex issue than just grading people on a linear scale. Does saving the country from the Nazis make up for the Black and Tans?

If nobody wanted to see such pictures they wouldn't be made = less children abused.

I agree with your second paragraph, it is a far more complex issue than grading.

[jeremyp]

ONLY, YE GODS!!!!!!!!

Yes it means he hasn't been found guilty of any other offence on this occasion. He has not, for example, actually sexually assaulted anybody (t least, I hope not).

So, would you like to wind your neck in and answer the questions I posed?

[jeremyp]

If nobody wanted to see such pictures they wouldn't be made = less children abused.

That is true and that is why possession of such images is illegal and why this man is deemed to have broken the law. I have no argument with that.