Man admits sexually assaulting 12 women in two days...

[Nearly Sane]

...because they were 'wearing enticing clothing'

Prick.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/man-admits-sexually-assaulting-12-19842475.amp?utm_source=facebook%2C%20twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wales_jason&__twitter_impression=true

[jeremyp]

...because they were 'wearing enticing clothing'

Prick.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/man-admits-sexually-assaulting-12-19842475.amp?utm_source=facebook%2C%20twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wales_jason&__twitter_impression=true

That doesn't really tell the whole story.

Firstly the good news: I expected to click on the link and read about twelve rapes. In fact, he was just riding around on his bike touching women's bottoms. (NB I'm not saying that makes it OK. Touching women inappropriately is still bad, just not as bad as rape.)

Everything else about it is just screwed up though. He claimed he was making a political statement because he didn't think women should go around dressed enticingly. Personally, I think, if we have to restrict the freedom of either the women who dress enticingly or the men who think being enticed has to involve a sexual assault, I'd restrict the freedom of the latter.

[Roses]

I hope that pervert is sent down for a substantial amount of time.

[Steve H]

Comes to something if a chap can't touch a pretty filly's bottom. Political correctness gone mad.

[Roses]

Comes to something if a chap can't touch a pretty filly's bottom. Political correctness gone mad.

What a DISGUSTING thing to say. That is sexual abuse, which men have got away with for far too long!

[Nearly Sane]

Comes to something if a chap can't touch a pretty filly's bottom. Political correctness gone mad.

i think attempting irony here is tone deaf because there are people who will say such things.

[jeremyp]

What a DISGUSTING thing to say. That is sexual abuse, which men have got away with for far too long!

Not only that, it's sexual abuse of a horse.

[Roses]

Not only that, it's sexual abuse of a horse.

Sexual abuse should never be treated lightly and joked about. I was on the receiving end of sexual abuse as a teenager. First by the pastor of the church we attended when I was 14, and an uncle by marriage when I was 18!

[Nearly Sane]

Not only that, it's sexual abuse of a horse.

Again, I think the attempted use of humour here fails. It's trying to be edgy but only succeeds in  looking like an attempt at excusing the sexual assault by making it only worthy of joking.

[jeremyp]

Again, I think the attempted use of humour here fails. It's trying to be edgy but only succeeds in  looking like an attempt at excusing the sexual assault by making it only worthy of joking.

The humour my not be very good but I don't see anybody attempting to excuse the subject of the story.

[Nearly Sane]

The humour my not be very good but I don't see anybody attempting to excuse the subject of the story.

You are making the topic a subject of humour. That downplays the seriousness of sexual abuse. You even have a survivor of such abuse saying that on the thread but you just dismiss her because you want to make a little joke.

[jeremyp]

You are making the topic a subject of humour. That downplays the seriousness of sexual abuse.

When you say the "seriousness of sexual abuse" you do realise this story is about a man riding a bike around touching the bottoms of women he passes. It's wrong and he shouldn't have done it, but it in no way approaches the seriousness of what LR went through.

[Nearly Sane]

When you say the "seriousness of sexual abuse" you do realise this story is about a man riding a bike around touching the bottoms of women he passes. It's wrong and he shouldn't have done it, but it in no way approaches the seriousness of what LR went through.

How serious you see it as being does make it any more suitable for jokes because all that those who have suffered sexual abuse will see is that you and Steve think it's a bit of a laugh. LR has expressed that she sees it as offensive in part related to her own experiences but hey, as long as you get to make your little witticisms, why bother with what she says.

[Roses]

Touching a woman's bottom might be low on the scale of sexual abuse, but it is still a very inappropriate thing to do and not something which should be the subject of jokes.

[Gordon]

Touching a woman's bottom might be low on the scale of sexual abuse, but it is still a very inappropriate thing to do and not something which should be the subject of jokes.

I'm with you on this LR: as the father of two daughters and the grandfather of two grand-daughters the prospect that someone might touch them up just isn't funny.

[Steve H]

I hope that pervert is sent down for a substantial amount of time.

I'd rather leave it to the judge or magistrate, who has all the facts, such as any previous convictions, psychiatric report, etc., which you don't have.

[Nearly Sane]

I'd rather leave it to the judge or magistrate, who has all the facts, such as any previous convictions, psychiatric report, etc., which you don't have.

Is that a judge or a magistrate who thinks sexual assault is worthy of making jokes about?

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I have been the victim of sexual assault though not as serious as rape. My opinion is that I think different people have a different way of discussing issues in different situations. On a forum some people make jokes, but I do not agree that jokes on a forum are always to  minimise the seriousness of the issue. I personally would look at the intention of the person making the joke. I cannot know what Steve's and JeremyP's intentions are with the limited information on this forum, but I sense from their posts on this forum that they think sexual assault is wrong therefore for me their jokes on a forum do not minimise their agreement with that moral belief. If this was a support group for victims of sexual assault I would have a different view.

There are people who suffered racism who still make racist jokes and who can accept racist jokes from others if they sense that in all seriousness the person making the joke is not racist and would support them if there was a genuine issue involving racism. Making racist jokes in a support group for victims of racism would in my opinion be crossing a line.

Of course everyone is different so some people will be offended by a racist joke in any circumstance. 

[Nearly Sane]

I have been the victim of sexual assault though not as serious as rape. My opinion is that I think different people have a different way of discussing issues in different situations. On a forum some people make jokes, but I do not agree that jokes on a forum are always to  minimise the seriousness of the issue. I personally would look at the intention of the person making the joke. I cannot know what Steve's and JeremyP's intentions are with the limited information on this forum, but I sense from their posts on this forum that they think sexual assault is wrong therefore for me their jokes on a forum do not minimise their agreement with that moral belief. If this was a support group for victims of sexual assault I would have a different view.

There are people who suffered racism who still make racist jokes and who can accept racist jokes from others if they sense that in all seriousness the person making the joke is not racist and would support them if there was a genuine issue involving racism. Making racist jokes in a support group for victims of racism would in my opinion be crossing a line.

Of course everyone is different so some people will be offended by a racist joke in any circumstance.

I don't think the intention is always to minimise. People make thoughtless remarks all the time and just because they are thoughtless means that they aren't having a thought out intention. I made clear that i thought here that it's not about the intention but the effect.

Just because we are not a rape support group doesn't mean that anything goes. Indeed, given that we are a mixed group and wr don't have an agreed 'purpose' means that there is a need for some thought about others, and makes it difficult, if not impossible, to gauge the use of humour. I think both Steve and Jeremy got it wrong here, and given LR 's reaction I would argue that has been borne out.

[Roses]

People who think there is something amusing about a woman being touched inappropriately are the lowest of the low, imo.

[Aruntraveller]

People who think there is something amusing about a woman being touched inappropriately are the lowest of the low, imo.

That's a bit of a tricky statement. If I read it correctly you are actually saying that the people "amused" are lower than the people touching women inappropriately. I'm sure you didn't mean that, but that's what you typed.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I don't think the intention is always to minimise. People make thoughtless remarks all the time and just because they are thoughtless means that they aren't having a thought out intention. I made clear that i thought here that it's not about the intention but the effect.

Just because we are not a rape support group doesn't mean that anything goes. Indeed, given that we are a mixed group and wr don't have an agreed 'purpose' means that there is a need for some thought about others, and makes it difficult, if not impossible, to gauge the use of humour. I think both Steve and Jeremy got it wrong here, and given LR 's reaction I would argue that has been borne out.

I thought Steve made a good point. Yes there are people who genuinely think that not being able to touch a woman's bottom without her consent is political correctness gone mad and that this was shrugged off as silly but ultimately harmless in the not too distant past. Times have changed here in the UK thankfully, but in other countries there is still a culture where many men still have this sense of entitlement.

[Outrider]

I thought Steve made a good point. Yes there are people who genuinely think that not being able to touch a woman's bottom without her consent is political correctness gone mad and that this was shrugged off as silly but ultimately harmless in the not too distant past. Times have changed here in the UK thankfully, but in other countries there is still a culture where many men still have this sense of entitlement.

Even more unfortunately, whilst there's a growing sense in this country that it's no longer acceptable, that's far from a universal view.

I'd like to see someone punch this guy in the face and then point out to him that he went out in public with an eminently punchable face and see what he has to say... Or, perhaps, given the possible mentality, maybe a guy on a bike wants to casually fondle his behind and see what he makes of it.

O.

[Roses]

When our eldest girl, now 50, was 15 a school inspector, an acquaintance of my husband who was visiting our home squeezed her breast. He couldn't understand what the fuss was about when she said she would murder him if he ever did that again.