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New Doctor Who
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2023, 10:54:52 PM »

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2023, 08:01:32 AM »
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-newsupdate/



ApparentIy there was a major change to Davros's portrayal in the Children in Need sketch last night, explained in link above. I can see RTD's reasons. Logically, however, this surely means the end of the Daleks since the 'wheelchair' was representative of Davros and the Daleks similarities. Once you portray that strain of body horror as disablist, and arguably all body horror is, then you emphasise that the Daleks are part of that.

To be honest, given the overuse of them over the series, I won't be upset to see them go. Seems a bit bathetic that their end comes on a Children in Need sketch, though.

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2023, 01:05:24 PM »
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-newsupdate/



ApparentIy there was a major change to Davros's portrayal in the Children in Need sketch last night, explained in link above. I can see RTD's reasons. Logically, however, this surely means the end of the Daleks since the 'wheelchair' was representative of Davros and the Daleks similarities. Once you portray that strain of body horror as disablist, and arguably all body horror is, then you emphasise that the Daleks are part of that.

To be honest, given the overuse of them over the series, I won't be upset to see them go. Seems a bit bathetic that their end comes on a Children in Need sketch, though.

I doubt they are gone. I agree about the overuse though. Much the same with the Borg in that other franchise.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2023, 01:17:00 PM »
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-newsupdate/



ApparentIy there was a major change to Davros's portrayal in the Children in Need sketch last night, explained in link above. I can see RTD's reasons. Logically, however, this surely means the end of the Daleks since the 'wheelchair' was representative of Davros and the Daleks similarities. Once you portray that strain of body horror as disablist, and arguably all body horror is, then you emphasise that the Daleks are part of that.

To be honest, given the overuse of them over the series, I won't be upset to see them go. Seems a bit bathetic that their end comes on a Children in Need sketch, though.
I can see their point, but if they're saying that no disabled (or black, or Asian, or Muslim, or Jewish) character can ever be portrayed as evil, that is unrealistic and patronising. If you always portray people from a particular minority as being evil, or portray them as evil in a particular way stereotypically associated with that minority, that's another matter, but minorities are no better or worse than the rest of us in general.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2023, 03:02:53 PM »
I doubt they are gone. I agree about the overuse though. Much the same with the Borg in that other franchise.
Oh I don't doubt that they aren't gone but logically given RTD's statements they should be.

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2023, 03:04:59 PM »
I can see their point, but if they're saying that no disabled (or black, or Asian, or Muslim, or Jewish) character can ever be portrayed as evil, that is unrealistic and patronising. If you always portray people from a particular minority as being evil, or portray them as evil in a particular way stereotypically associated with that minority, that's another matter, but minorities are no better or worse than the rest of us in general.
I think, as covered, if Davros is 'disabled', then so are the Daleks. If you keep them, then the whole point is missed.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2023, 07:51:03 PM »
Picture of Tom Baker for the 60th anniversary.

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2023, 09:49:46 AM »
Obviously as someone only 6 months younger than the Doctor, this horrifies me but I suppose that it really isn't the sacrilege that my instant reaction declared it.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-67499965

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2023, 11:47:05 AM »
And, of course, happy birthday to Who

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2023, 12:04:21 PM »
I was 12 60 years ago. I missed the first episode, 60 years ago today, but luckily for me it was so unexpectedly popular that the Beeb did some hasty schedule-rearranging, and repeated it a week later, immediately before the second episode.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2023, 12:17:19 PM »
I was 12 60 years ago. I missed the first episode, 60 years ago today, but luckily for me it was so unexpectedly popular that the Beeb did some hasty schedule-rearranging, and repeated it a week later, immediately before the second episode.
The general thought is that the first episode was repeated because of lack of attention due to Kennedy's assasination the previous day

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2023, 01:11:42 PM »
Maybe.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2023, 01:43:24 PM »
I think, as covered, if Davros is 'disabled', then so are the Daleks. If you keep them, then the whole point is missed.
In one of Moffat's episodes  Davros created the Dale's and had to keep giving them his own cells (one at a time). He ended up disabled by using up so many that he barely had any cells of his own.
Back in Series one (because I'm  an expert now) the Daleks started a nuclear war and the Dalek's armours were used to protect them from radiation.
In CIN Davros wasn't  disabled, but I doubt that's treated as the Daleks' genesis any more.

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2023, 02:05:20 PM »

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2023, 02:22:42 PM »
Me, my orangutan, and the TARDIS

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2023, 01:07:10 PM »
And a rather lovely story about the stand in Doctor


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67417110

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2023, 05:30:58 PM »
The general thought is that the first episode was repeated because of lack of attention due to Kennedy's assasination the previous day
I've just watched 'An Adventure in Space and Time'* again on iplayer - the drama about the early days of DW, with David Bradley as William Hartnell as the Doctor - and that puts your version of why they repeated episode one. I wonder if the BBC told my version at first, because they didn't want to admit they'd been shafted by the Yanks, but later put out the real version -- or maybe I just assumed it was because it had been so popular, without any evidence.

*The new, slightly altered version, with Ncuti Gatwa replacing Matt Smith at the end, as the new latest Doctor.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2023, 06:16:51 PM »
This is one of the fewer earlier bits I remember
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“Do I have the right?” I was five and Tom Baker was deciding whether to blow up the Daleks or not. (Permanentl, from the beginningof timeto the end)
One of better parts, based on philosophy as much as science fiction.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/24/60-years-doctor-who-bbc-part-five
TBH, I'm  not quite sure I did see this when it was first broadcast or in some later (/ celebratory)  parts, but I can remember what I thought he should have done

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2023, 06:26:55 PM »

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2023, 07:29:23 PM »
Audios of some of the series that are missing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0gnw6dh/episodes/player?page=1

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2023, 08:53:00 PM »

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2023, 01:28:46 PM »
BLIMEY! It's back tonight!  :o
I hope they follow up with a full-length series every year as of yore, which they have signally failed to do for the last few years. I look forward, inter alia, to learning how the Doctor managed to regenerate his clothes as well as his body.
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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2023, 01:43:44 PM »
BLIMEY! It's back tonight!  :o
I hope they follow up with a full-length series every year as of yore, which they have signally failed to do for the last few years. I look forward, inter alia, to learning how the Doctor managed to regenerate his clothes as well as his body.

I will see how things go. It might be great but the last few lay unwatched for a few months for me.

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Re: New Doctor Who
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2023, 02:35:37 PM »
I will see how things go. It might be great but the last few lay unwatched for a few months for me.
I felt for the last two or three years that the series was losing its mojo somewhat. Hopefully, it'll regenerate along with the Doctor.
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