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Nearly Sane

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Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« on: April 20, 2024, 12:30:10 PM »
Were  I Humza Yousaf I would be thinking of getting my retaliation in first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cekl2v3124go
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2024, 05:14:33 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 20, 2024, 12:30:10 PM
Were  I Humza Yousaf I would be thinking of getting my retaliation in first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cekl2v3124go

If the Greens left the Bute House agreement, that would make the government a minority government. Is that likely to be a serious problem?
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2024, 05:28:52 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on April 20, 2024, 05:14:33 PM
If the Greens left the Bute House agreement, that would make the government a minority government. Is that likely to be a serious problem?
Most of the time the SNP have been in the Scottish govt it's been a minority. The main problem is getting the budget passed but they get that done by concessions to the Greens and the Lib Dems. There's not really enough common cause between the opposition parties to bring them down.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2024, 06:06:35 AM »
I see Harvie and Slater are seduced by their 'powerful' positions. If I were a Scorrish Green, I would be arguing that they use the missed emissions target, and their desire to continue medical experimentation on children to back away from the Bute House agreement because of the possible fall out from the Murrell embezzlement case though not saying that publicly, or indeed in that way.

As the article indicates, Yousaf has probably more problems pacifying the part of his own party opposed to the Bute Nouse Agreement. Moreso than previously, if the SNP were to form a minority govt, the people they might have to make concessions to to get budget through are in their own party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4n1458z6n8o
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2024, 12:16:45 PM »
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2024, 09:11:54 AM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 20, 2024, 05:28:52 PM
Most of the time the SNP have been in the Scottish govt it's been a minority. The main problem is getting the budget passed but they get that done by concessions to the Greens and the Lib Dems. There's not really enough common cause between the opposition parties to bring them down.

That's what I thought.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2024, 09:15:56 AM »
Looks like the party's over (time to call it a day).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz5dy15grjnt
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2024, 10:38:58 AM »
Quote from: Gordon on April 25, 2024, 09:15:56 AM
Looks like the party's over (time to call it a day).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz5dy15grjnt
And Yousaf looks surprised at events
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2024, 01:13:05 PM »
The likely no confidence vote on Yousaf will be interesting. I suspect the Greens will abstain and so he will survive but even so it will look bad.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2024, 02:11:05 PM »
Humza could be in a bit of bother - this from The Guardian live blog.

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Labour confirms it will back the vote of no confidence in Humza Yousaf.
- Liberal Democrats will back it.
- Greens meeting later to discuss.
- Ash Regan (Alba) says she’s writing to the FM and her support will depend on his answer to that.

Extraordinary day.

The SNP has 63 MSPs.

There are now already 57 MSPs lined up to vote against Yousaf: Conservatives (31), Labour (22) and Lib Dems (4).

The Greens have 7 MSPs and Alba just one (Ash Regan).
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2024, 02:54:34 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on April 25, 2024, 02:11:05 PM
Humza could be in a bit of bother - this from The Guardian live blog.

I'll be interested in what Regan asks for. Even if the Greens were to vote against him, and I suspect abstention will be their choice, I don't think it has any actual effect, though I could be wrong.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2024, 03:27:48 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 25, 2024, 02:54:34 PM
I'll be interested in what Regan asks for. Even if the Greens were to vote against him, and I suspect abstention will be their choice, I don't think it has any actual effect, though I could be wrong.

Apparently is he loses he isn't required to resign because the non Confidence vote is directed a him personally: had it been No Confidence in the government and the SNP lost, then he would have to resign (and no doubt an election would follow).
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2024, 05:19:35 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on April 25, 2024, 03:27:48 PM
Apparently is he loses he isn't required to resign because the non Confidence vote is directed a him personally: had it been No Confidence in the government and the SNP lost, then he would have to resign (and no doubt an election would follow).
Greens voting against him.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2024, 05:22:15 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 25, 2024, 05:19:35 PM
Greens voting against him.
All down to Ash Regan!!
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2024, 05:38:02 PM »
Quote from: ProfessorDavey on April 25, 2024, 05:22:15 PM
All down to Ash Regan!!
Not sure what she can realistically ask for.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2024, 05:43:14 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on April 25, 2024, 05:38:02 PM
Not sure what she can realistically ask for.
Not sure that the issue is what she can get, but what she might lose depending on her decision. She' will be persona non grata with a whole raft of people whatever she does. I guess the point is who she wants to end up a pariah with.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2024, 05:48:12 PM »
Quote from: ProfessorDavey on April 25, 2024, 05:43:14 PM
Not sure that the issue is what she can get, but what she might lose depending on her decision. She' will be persona non grata with a whole raft of people whatever she does. I guess the point is who she wants to end up a pariah with.
Not much change then.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2024, 05:51:20 PM »
I can see why the Tories might not want an election but surely it makes sense for Labour to go for a vote of no confidence in the govt?
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2024, 06:07:29 PM »
I'd have thought so too - they'd be pushing at an open door, and if it happened before the GE might well give them some momentum (which the Tories would hate).
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2024, 06:14:43 PM »
Greens now saying they will support the No Confidence vote on M Humza - Ash Regan holds all the cards now.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-68901088
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2024, 08:36:27 AM »
I'm left wondering whether the SNP is currently a leadable party. The splits on show at the leadership election have become deeper, so can a compromise happen on gender. That all of this continues while the police investigation continues feels like there are people waiting for that outcome before committing themselves to a fight.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-68901981
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2024, 10:03:06 AM »
Hints now from the Greens that they could do a deal of offered the right concessions. Not sure that another Uturn by Yousaf could be sold as anything other than weakness.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2024, 10:19:09 AM »
Good laugh from the Scottish Tories. Why, if you are so keen on an election, wouldn't you table a motion that would be more likely to ensure one? Oh because you are lying through your teeth.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2024, 11:02:34 AM »
Scottish Labour goung for the full vote of no confidence in the Scottish govt, as I assumed they would. Given it looks like the timing of that vote is after the vote of no confidence in Yousaf, I think that works in Yousaf's favour. If he can get Regan's support or a Green abstention on the 'less imporarnt' vote, then Labour's motion will fail. And I think it's less likely that the Greens will say they support the second vote.


Anyway more popcorn!


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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2024, 12:55:45 PM »
Scottish Labour needs another 3 votes to hold their no confidence vote in the govt. I would have thought the Lib Dems should certainly be up for it.
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