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Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2025, 11:03:08 AM »
I'm rooting for Tagle, another liberal like Francis.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/who-will-be-the-next-pope-leading-candidate-could-be-first-asian-pontiff/ar-AA1DEx9K
Was Francis really a liberal - sure he talked the talk, but what major modernising or liberal shifts in policy did he get adopted by the RCC?

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Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2025, 05:51:40 PM »
Was Francis really a liberal - sure he talked the talk, but what major modernising or liberal shifts in policy did he get adopted by the RCC?
The RC church has its foundation firmly rooted in the divine revelations of Christ as discerned in the New Testament scriptures.  Any modernising or liberal shifts cannot take us away from Christ's teachings.
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Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2025, 05:58:05 PM »
The RC church has its foundation firmly rooted in the divine revelations of Christ as discerned in the New Testament scriptures.  Any modernising or liberal shifts cannot take us away from Christ's teachings.
So you assert, but other opinions are available.

The point is that the church has changed its position on doctrinal interpretation and practise over the centuries. My point is that Francis has been portrayed as a moderniser and liberal (compared to his predecessor who was portrayed as a conservative). But besides words I'm struggling to see any meaningful difference between them in terms of changes made to the RCC. Now you might be very happy with that, but that isn't the point I'm making.

My point is that the claim of Francis as a modernising liberal seems to be all words and no action. Same with JPII who left the RCC more conservative, when compared to mainstream society, when he died in 2005 than when he became pope in 1978.
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Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2025, 05:27:09 PM »
Habent papam

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Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2025, 03:45:44 PM »
A bloody Yank! Should've been an Asian or African.
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Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2025, 03:57:05 PM »
The Orange Ogre gets it wrong, as usual: He's the first US Pope, but the second American one.
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Congratulations to Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost, who was just named Pope. It is such an honor to realize that he is the first American Pope.
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Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2025, 04:05:52 PM »
First Pope younger than me, which is slightly galling. The first prime minister younger than me was Blair, which was yonx ago. I winder if I'll live to see William on the throne, as the first British monarch younger than me.
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Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2025, 06:29:15 PM »
A bloody Yank! Should've been an Asian or African.

Dear Steve,

Sorry but that brought a smile to my face, burger bars lining St Peters Sq, no more Holy wine, Coca cola and Pepsi max from now on, bloody Yanks coming over and taking our Popes :D

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Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2025, 08:43:14 PM »
A bloody Yank! Should've been an Asian or African.
The MAGA crowd immediately started bleating because they didn't hear him speaking in English. His first comments were in fact in Italian and Spanish (and no doubt in Latin). In his first mass today, he did say quite a bit in English.
Nonetheless, MAGA think he's a woke Marxist Peruvian.
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