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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #100 on: June 29, 2020, 11:03:42 AM »

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #101 on: June 29, 2020, 11:55:08 AM »
Klopp is a class act

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53218189
Klopp is a kind of anti-Mourinho - or maybe it is the other way around.

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #102 on: July 11, 2020, 02:49:53 PM »
Norwich relegated, and looking very like Bournemouth and Aston Villa follow.

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #103 on: July 12, 2020, 11:13:59 PM »
But both Bournemouth and Aston Villa give themselves a chance

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #104 on: July 16, 2020, 02:06:14 PM »
Liverpool can't break the Premier League points record now. They've now lost three games, which is two more than they lost last year in coming second and three more than the Arsenal champions of 2003/2004.

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #105 on: July 16, 2020, 04:36:30 PM »
Liverpool can't break the Premier League points record now. They've now lost three games, which is two more than they lost last year in coming second and three more than the Arsenal champions of 2003/2004.
That's correct - they aren't going to break any of the possible records available to then when the season resumed that I set out in reply 87.

I think it has been a challenge to keep the motivation going to keep winning once the title was in the bag simply to achieve some 'on paper' records - also Klopp has, not unreasonably, played some young player who wouldn't normally get a look in. I don't think playing behind closed doors has helped either - I suspect the full throated Kopp last weekend might have pushed them past Burnley.

And perhaps the dip in results is, in part, linked to one of the records they have broken - namely winning the title with 7 games to go (the previous record being 5 games, going back 130 years). They were so far ahead when the season restarted (with 9 games to go) that realistically the players were probably more focussed on a break and next season (once the title was in the bag, which was inevitable).

And actually that leads on to one final potential record they could break - the biggest winning margin to second place, which currently 19pts - they'd need to get better results than Man City in the final 2 games to achieve this though, which I think is unlikely as Man City's final two games are Watford and Norwich. As a Watford fan (and childhood Liverpool fan) I can but hope!! Through gritted teeth I'm be cheering on Everton against Villa tonight ;)


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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #106 on: July 16, 2020, 04:42:26 PM »
Liverpool can't break the Premier League points record now. They've now lost three games, which is two more than they lost last year in coming second and three more than the Arsenal champions of 2003/2004.
I think that alludes to a key issue in football today - you can lose the odd match, what will kill your season is too many draws.

Look at Man City, in second on 75pts, and Arsenal in 9th on 53pts - both have lost 9 games - the difference is that Arsenal's season has been killed by 14 draws, while Man City have had just 3.

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #107 on: July 20, 2020, 10:09:46 AM »

I think it has been a challenge to keep the motivation going to keep winning once the title was in the bag

That's true. It happens quite a lot, for example, when Arsenal won in 97/98 they did it with two games to spare. They lost both of the last two games, the first against Liverpool who were not the force then that they are now and the second against some other middle of the table team that I can't remember.
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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #108 on: July 20, 2020, 02:29:19 PM »
That's true. It happens quite a lot, for example, when Arsenal won in 97/98 they did it with two games to spare. They lost both of the last two games, the first against Liverpool who were not the force then that they are now and the second against some other middle of the table team that I can't remember.
Which probably makes Man City's 100 pt achievement in 17/18 even more impressive. They'd wrapped up the championship with 5 games to space yet their final games following being confirmed as champions were 4 wins and 1 draw.

That said, their run in that year was pretty easy, with their final five games being Swansea, West Ham, Huddersfield, Brighton and Southampton with three of the final five games being at home.

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #109 on: July 22, 2020, 08:40:58 PM »
West Ham mathematically safe now, though superior goal difference had made it all but certain. Thought we played well today. Grew into the game. Always looked as if we were looking for the goal, even at the end albeit with minimal risk (intelligent play). Bowen worked his socks off. Hope he's ok. Credit to Moyes. Deserves his chance next season. Haven't got a Danny what he did during lockdown but it worked.
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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #110 on: July 23, 2020, 10:01:42 AM »
Be interested in the results of this choose your best ever Liverpool side,


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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #111 on: July 23, 2020, 10:16:57 AM »
Be interested in the results of this choose your best ever Liverpool side,


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51628666

That's easy, from my point of view, it's the 1988-89 side that came second in Division 1.
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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #112 on: July 23, 2020, 10:21:37 AM »
I think Moyes is a bit over the top here but his main point about Pearson's sacking seems valid

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53487472

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #113 on: July 23, 2020, 10:27:11 AM »
That's easy, from my point of view, it's the 1988-89 side that came second in Division 1.

They relegated us that season. Beat us 4-0 if I remember correctly. West Ham fans, in true form, were singing behind the Liverpool goal "Brucie, Brucie give us a goal, give us a goal, give us a goal!" LOL!
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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #114 on: July 23, 2020, 10:44:04 AM »
I think Moyes is a bit over the top here but his main point about Pearson's sacking seems valid

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53487472

This started as a post defending the decision, but I've changed my mind. I doubt if they would have got anything out of Manchester City with Pearson in charge, but the margin of defeat ended up being catastrophic and it might not have been so bad with him there. Now they have to get a better result against Arsenal than Aston Villa gets against West Ham (two goals better if they both win or both lose). I wouldn't bet on them.



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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #115 on: July 23, 2020, 03:00:40 PM »
This started as a post defending the decision, but I've changed my mind. I doubt if they would have got anything out of Manchester City with Pearson in charge, but the margin of defeat ended up being catastrophic and it might not have been so bad with him there. Now they have to get a better result against Arsenal than Aston Villa gets against West Ham (two goals better if they both win or both lose). I wouldn't bet on them.
As a Watford fan I'm aghast at what is going on.

Frankly I think Watford have been useless since the re-start. There seems to be no energy and motivation, let alone quality. I know they won a couple of games but even then they gave themselves a real uphill struggle by giving an early goal away. This has been happening all season - no commitment to take a game by the scruff of the neck.

4-0 to Man City is poor but expected. The killer was being so poor at West Ham - being 3-0 down in no time in a 6-pointer, must win game.

I think we are going down as I cannot see us bettering Aston Villa's result sufficiently to stay up. That said if we match Villa and we are relegated on goal difference it will be hugely frustrating as it will be down to possibly the worst refereeing decision in a very, very long time - missing the clear 'goal' in the first game back Villa vs Sheffield U when the ball was miles over the line but somehow was missed by both the ref, assistant ref and technology.

Ho humm.

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #116 on: July 24, 2020, 12:48:47 PM »
So with the start of the Scottish Premiership on the 01/08, we will be running the 2019 - 2020 season with the start of the 2020 - 2021 season. Rhinking we just extend this thread to include both.



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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #117 on: July 24, 2020, 07:42:01 PM »
Liverpool selection. Think Dalglish should be first. Think the back four is too new. Still a stonking team but one selected from those left out could give them a game

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #118 on: July 29, 2020, 10:05:26 AM »
That said if we match Villa and we are relegated on goal difference it will be hugely frustrating as it will be down to possibly the worst refereeing decision in a very, very long time - missing the clear 'goal' in the first game back Villa vs Sheffield U when the ball was miles over the line but somehow was missed by both the ref, assistant ref and technology.

Bournemouth might be taking legal action

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53571916

I think it would be a very bad precedent if they do proceed and then win. You'd have relegated clubs challenging every bad decision against them.
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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #119 on: July 29, 2020, 10:10:33 AM »
Bournemouth might be taking legal action

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53571916

I think it would be a very bad precedent if they do proceed and then win. You'd have relegated clubs challenging every bad decision against them.
I doubt they will proceed, and I see no chance of them winning.

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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #120 on: July 29, 2020, 10:10:50 AM »
Liverpool selection. Think Dalglish should be first. Think the back four is too new. Still a stonking team but one selected from those left out could give them a game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51628666?fbclid=IwAR37OqfJUg54Sz0Gg2N9T1C4lfbdZDfX3aekhhQ3TsLbfQwZk5rw1HEXIJo

Whatever.

The one thing I picked up was looking at Alan Hansen's list of honours. It's astonishing how good the Liverpool team was in the 1980's.
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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #121 on: August 02, 2020, 12:33:21 PM »
After a pretty forgettable season, we have a trophy.
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Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Reply #122 on: August 02, 2020, 10:15:28 PM »
After a pretty forgettable season, we have a trophy.
More importantly a route into Europe, albeit just the Europa league, but that might be just enough to hold on to Arsenal's better players.

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« Reply #123 on: August 03, 2020, 10:48:59 AM »
More importantly a route into Europe, albeit just the Europa league, but that might be just enough to hold on to Arsenal's better players.

It's a sad statement when the best thing you can say about the FA Cup is that it qualifies you for Europe. When I was a lad, the FA Cup was the highlight of the football season.

Also, it was a bad day for Wolves supporters.
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« Reply #124 on: August 03, 2020, 11:31:30 AM »
It's a sad statement when the best thing you can say about the FA Cup is that it qualifies you for Europe. When I was a lad, the FA Cup was the highlight of the football season.

Exactly! Eveyone who was into football would watch, regardless of whether or not their team was in it. The excitement of the draw and listening to it on the radio etc. The magic seems to have gone.
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