Campus killing lays bare America's bloody and broken politics

[Nearly Sane]

Not a huge fan of Charlie Kirk but this feels chilling like not the last such murder on all sides of US politics.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2z9z4m22ro

[Nearly Sane]

Not a huge fan of Charlie Kirk but this feels chilling like not the last such murder on all sides of US politics.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2z9z4m22ro

See


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/09/charlie-kirk-killing-assassination-reactions-right-wing-grief-outrage-retribution/

[Nearly Sane]

And more

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/10/us/charlie-kirk-political-violence.html?unlocked_article_code=1

[ad_orientem]

Not a huge fan of Charlie Kirk but this feels chilling like not the last such murder on all sides of US politics.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2z9z4m22ro

Ah! The same Charlie Kirk who said the 2nd amendment is worth the cost of "some gun deaths". Oh, the irony!

[Nearly Sane]

A not completely lunatic friend was elsewhere touting the conspiracy that Kirk was 'taken out' by Trump for being too popular. I fear this is going to be a madness of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 de jour, 9/10

[Steve H]

I wouldn't go so far as to rejoice in CK.s death, but he certainly isn't worth mourning.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs

[Aruntraveller]

A not completely lunatic friend was elsewhere touting the conspiracy that Kirk was 'taken out' by Trump for being too popular. I fear this is going to be a madness of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 de jour, 9/10

I also saw this theory. For me, it's very difficult to get a grasp of reality in these scenarios.

Part of my brain is saying don't be stupid, nobody would be that callous and devious and murderous - and then the other part of my brain goes, Trump, the man who incited a riot, who said "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters", who grabs pussy, etc. and then my whole brain says well I've at least got to consider the possibility.

Sheesh - this fucking world.

[Dicky Underpants]

Ah! The same Charlie Kirk who said the 2nd amendment is worth the cost of "some gun deaths". Oh, the irony!

Just seen the video clip where he said this. Irony indeed.

[Nearly Sane]

I also saw this theory. For me, it's very difficult to get a grasp of reality in these scenarios.

Part of my brain is saying don't be stupid, nobody would be that callous and devious and murderous - and then the other part of my brain goes, Trump, the man who incited a riot, who said "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters", who grabs pussy, etc. and then my whole brain says well I've at least got to consider the possibility.

Sheesh - this fucking world.

The issue with conspiracy theories is the logistics.

[Nearly Sane]

Just seen the video clip where he said this. Irony indeed.

I think that's one of his better quotes. It's an honest acceptance of the consequences. I might disagree that the price is worth paying but at least he didn't hide it.

[Nearly Sane]

I wouldn't go so far as to rejoice in CK.s death, but he certainly isn't worth mourning.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs

Saw a number of people saying he was this generation's Martin Luther King. Hmmm....

[Aruntraveller]

I don't support what happened to Charlie, but Charlie supported what happened to Charlie. (Pinched from elsewhere)

[Nearly Sane]

More loons


https://archive.vn/4MMqT

[Nearly Sane]

I don't support what happened to Charlie, but Charlie supported what happened to Charlie. (Pinched from elsewhere)

Except that's bollocks. He didn't advocate violence. The gun quote doesn't imply support for killing people for their views.

[Nearly Sane]

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Interesting discussion between Kirk and Bill Maher from 4 months ago

https://youtu.be/OblCcO7-Alg?si=z5BvynUX0XjO5pvJ

[Nearly Sane]

And Kirk and Gavin Newsom


https://youtu.be/9XJ6rQDRKGA?si=E12oXQl9g85p2Lhr

[ProfessorDavey]

Except that's bollocks. He didn't advocate violence. The gun quote doesn't imply support for killing people for their views.

Hmm - he said that gun deaths were a price worth paying for second amendment rights. And he became one of those deaths that he thought were a price worth paying.

[Nearly Sane]

Hmm - he said that gun deaths were a price worth paying for second amendment rights. And he became one of those deaths that he thought were a price worth paying.

He said that it was an unfortunate truth that in supporting the second amendment, there would be deaths, that isn't advocating violence in any sense.

I think that the fact that we are, and should be,  free to buy knives means that there may be deaths from stabbings. That isn't advocating violence either 

[Steve H]

He said that it was an unfortunate truth that in supporting the second amendments there would be deaths, that isn't advocating violence in any sense.

I think that the fact that we are, and should be,  free to buy knives means that there may be deaths from stabbings. That isn't advocating violence either

Knives are not a comparable case, because knives have many peaceful uses, and anyway there are legal restrictions in the UK on what knives can be carried   - must be foldable, must not be lockable, blade no more than 3" long, must not be openable instantly, etc. Sgian Dubhs are thus illegal for public carrying (th0ugh not to own), but I think a point is stretched for respectable chaps wearing full Highland clobber at weddings etc. My Swiss Army knife, having a lockable blade, is thus also not carry-legal, though I do.

[Steve H]

They've caught the shooter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c206zm81z4gt

[ProfessorDavey]

He said that it was an unfortunate truth that in supporting the second amendment, there would be deaths, that isn't advocating violence in any sense.

I think that the fact that we are, and should be,  free to buy knives means that there may be deaths from stabbings. That isn't advocating violence either

Where did I say that he advocated violence - he may well have done, I have no idea but that isn't the point I made.

His view was that gun deaths were a price worth paying for second amendment rights. He ended up as one of those gun deaths that he thought were worth it in order to have the second amendment rights.

So while he might not have been advocating violence, he was clearly accepting of violent gun death as a price worth paying for second amendment rights.

But I think the point here is about the irony - someone who considered violent gun deaths a price worth paying ends up becoming a victim of the very violence gun deaths he considered to be a price worth paying. Well he certainly paid the price.

[Aruntraveller]

Except that's bollocks. He didn't advocate violence. The gun quote doesn't imply support for killing people for their views.

It is not. He was in favour of gun deaths to preserve the second amendment. Some people were fine with that when it was democrat politicians or kids in schools. Now it is some kind of sacred figure on free speech from the right some people get all hurty-hurt.

This was what he was in favour of. He is just another statistic. Like the kids and politicians that he previously thought were dispensable.

[Nearly Sane]

Where did I say that he advocated violence - he may well have done, I have no idea but that isn't the point I made.

His view was that gun deaths were a price worth paying for second amendment rights. He ended up as one of those gun deaths that he thought were worth it in order to have the second amendment rights.

So while he might not have been advocating violence, he was clearly accepting of violent gun death as a price worth paying for second amendment rights.

But I think the point here is about the irony - someone who considered violent gun deaths a price worth paying ends up becoming a victim of the very violence gun deaths he considered to be a price worth paying. Well he certainly paid the price.

You were replying to the idea that it was something he wanted. It isn't. The irony part wasn't what I challenged.

[Nearly Sane]

Knives are not a comparable case, because knives have many peaceful uses, and anyway there are legal restrictions in the UK on what knives can be carried   - must be foldable, must not be lockable, blade no more than 3" long, must not be openable instantly, etc. Sgian Dubhs are thus illegal for public carrying (th0ugh not to own), but I think a point is stretched for respectable chaps wearing full Highland clobber at weddings etc. My Swiss Army knife, having a lockable blade, is thus also not carry-legal, though I do.

Oh look someone who doesn't understand that analogies are not meant to be exact.

[Nearly Sane]

It is not. He was in favour of gun deaths to preserve the second amendment. Some people were fine with that when it was democrat politicians or kids in schools. Now it is some kind of sacred figure on free speech from the right some people get all hurty-hurt.

This was what he was in favour of. He is just another statistic. Like the kids and politicians that he previously thought were dispensable.

Except that is also bollocks. I think  he was wrong but he argued for armed guards in schools saying if you thought protecting banks was worth that then kids were definitely  worth it. We balance freedoms in complex ways about what we are willing to tolerate. He didn't argue that violence was a good thing which is the implication of your post about what he wanted.