Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on February 17, 2021, 03:30:45 PM
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Good to see, dreadful situation
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-56097886
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Poor brave man. :o The idiots he went to rescue were let off far too lightly, imo. I am glad the appeal raised quite a lot of money, but it won't give him back what he has lost. :(
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Good to see, dreadful situation
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-56097886
Thank you for posting. One can only hope that the two irresp[onsible campers will spend some of their spare time over the next few years doing all they can to help not only the badly injured volunteer but in raising money for the rescue service and, even better, train to become rescuers themselves.
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The idiots he went to rescue were let off far too lightly, imo.
We can always rely on you for a dose of self-righteous vindictiveness.
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We can always rely on you for a dose of self-righteous vindictiveness.
And we can always rely on you to make daft comments like that one. ::)
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We can always rely on you for a dose of self-righteous vindictiveness.
Well you can include me on that list of self righteous vindictiveness then, because I agree with LR.
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We can always rely on you for a dose of self-righteous vindictiveness.
I agree with LR.
I know a friend in the Glencoe MR team, and the times he's had to rescue cretins who wore shorts and trainer whilst climbing Annach Mhor or Bidian and were surprised when they ended up with broken legs ot worse, doesn't bear thinking about.
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I agree with LR.
I know a friend in the Glencoe MR team, and the times he's had to rescue cretins who wore shorts and trainer whilst climbing Annach Mhor or Bidian and were surprised when they ended up with broken legs ot worse, doesn't bear thinking about.
I agree with you.
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The campers broke lockdown restrictions. As far as we know, they were fully equipped for camping. One of them suffered chest pains, which could happen any time any where. They got fined £200 for breaking lockdown (but they were in the wilds of Cumbria, a long wat from anyone else, so not in the same league as going to an illegal rave). What happened was a tragic accident. If it had happened two years ago, before Covid-19 and lockdown, they would presumably not have been fined at all. Let's consider the reported facts, instead of coming over all censorious.
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The campers broke lockdown restrictions. As far as we know, they were fully equipped for camping. One of them suffered chest pains, which could happen any time any where. They got fined £200 for breaking lockdown (but they were in the wilds of Cumbria, a long wat from anyone else, so not in the same league as going to an illegal rave). What happened was a tragic accident. If it had happened two years ago, before Covid-19 and lockdown, they would presumably not have been fined at all. Let's consider the reported facts, instead of coming over all censorious.
And in rescuing them breaking the law some poor volunteer is screwed for the rest of their life but you think that is worth mocking people on
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And in rescuing them breaking the law some poor volunteer is screwed for the rest of their life but you think that is worth mocking people on
What are you on about? Whom did I mock?
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I think the rescue team were brave and professional.
The accident could have happened at any time, and at any other time no one would point at the people needing assistance, unless they were totally unprepared.
Imagine the same situation were the group were there not during lockdown.
My point is that it was not the group that caused the accident.
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I think the rescue team were brave and professional.
The accident could have happened at any time, and at any other time no one would point at the people needing assistance, unless they were totally unprepared.
Imagine the same situation were the group were there not during lockdown.
My point is that it was not the group that caused the accident.
Eh? The idiots who were there and got into trouble exactly created the situation of the accident. If they had not stupidly been there it wouldn't have happened.
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What are you on about? Whom did I mock?
LR. Now why is it different to 'going to an illegal rave'? Given that it was illegal and the stupid action led to someone being in a wheelchair for life?
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I think the rescue team were brave and professional.
The accident could have happened at any time, and at any other time no one would point at the people needing assistance, unless they were totally unprepared.
Imagine the same situation were the group were there not during lockdown.
My point is that it was not the group that caused the accident.
Exactly!
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LR. Now why is it different to 'going to an illegal rave'? Given that it was illegal and the stupid action led to someone being in a wheelchair for life?
Sigh. Because they were a long way from anyone else, and outdoors, and not mingling with hundreds of others indoors; and, as BR says, their only misdeed, as far as we know, was breaking lockdown: they may have been (and probably were, or the muckraking British press would have told us) experienced mountaineers and campers. The accident was not connected to their illegal action.
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Sigh. Because they were a long way from anyone else, and outdoors, and not mingling with hundreds of others indoors; and, as BR says, their only misdeed, as far as we know, was breaking lockdown: they may have been (and probably were, or the muckraking British press would have told us) experienced mountaineers and campers. The accident was not connected to their illegal action.
If they had't been committing their selfish little wank illegal action, it wouldn't have lead to someone being in a wheelchair.
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Eh? The idiots who were there and got into trouble exactly created the situation of the accident. If they had not stupidly been there it wouldn't have happened.
So you disapprove of climbing and camping in all circumstances, because accidents might happen?
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So you disapprove of climbing and camping in all circumstances, because accidents might happen?
So you approve of people breaking the law leading to someone ending up in a wheelchair trying to save them?
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If they had't been committing their selfish little wank illegal action, it wouldn't have lead to someone being in a wheelchair.
And if I hadn't been cycling from Litchborough to Northampton in March 2014, I wouldn't have been knocked off my bike and spent nine weeks in hospital, costing the NHS many thousands of pounds. Should I be fined as well?
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So you approve of people breaking the law leading to someone ending up in a wheelchair trying to save them?
Their breaking of the lockdown law had nothing to do with the accident. For an obviously intelligent bloke, you can be remarkably dim sometimes.
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And if I hadn't been cycling from Litchborough to Northampton in March 2014, I wouldn't have been knocked off my bike and spent nine weeks in hospital, costing the NHS many thousands of pounds. Should I be fined as well?
Were you breaking the law in order to do so?
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Their breaking of the lockdown law had nothing to do with the accident. For an obviously intelligent bloke, you can be remarkably dim sometimes.
If they weren't breaking the law, they wouldn't have been there.
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Were you breaking the law in order to do so?
Oh, ffs. The law they were breaking had nothing to do with the accident. Is it that hard to understand?
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Oh, ffs. The law they were breaking had nothing to do with the accident. Is it that hard to understand?
If they hadn't broken the law as they did the incident would not have happened.
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This is going round in circles, so I think I'll leave the thread for now. That does not mean you've won: you are wrong, but are being wilfully thick.
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This is going round in circles, so I think I'll leave the thread for now. That does not mean you've won: you are wrong, but are being wilfully thick.
Yawn!!!!
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And if I hadn't been cycling from Litchborough to Northampton in March 2014, I wouldn't have been knocked off my bike and spent nine weeks in hospital, costing the NHS many thousands of pounds. Should I be fined as well?
No, because you weren't under lockdown at the time. If it had happened under lockdown and if I had any say in the matter then you would have been paying those thousands of pounds back.
Yes, had this happened during "normal" times the very same thing could have happened, and it would have been very sad. In this instance their illegal action caused this to happen.
It's too late now, but if the government had been more heavy handed in terms of punishment options available for breaking lockdown rules we would have had far fewer transgressions.
Illegal raves? Lock the whole lot up for three months and see how many raves there are.
Weddings held in school premises? Lock them up see if it happen again.
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Yawn!!!!
What a very little and rosy response.
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What a very little and rosy response.
For you, that's nearly witty. So tell me, if the eejits hadn't broken the law in the way they did, how would anyone have ended up in a wheelchair for life?
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"That was the cause, but yet per accidens" - Marlowe, 'Dr Faustus'.
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"That was the cause, but yet per accidens" - Marlowe, 'Dr Fuastus'.
Faustus, I would suggest as spelling. Nice to see you have accepted that they caused someone being in a wheelchair for life by their idiocy.
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And in rescuing them breaking the law some poor volunteer is screwed for the rest of their life but you think that is worth mocking people on
Not only that, NS.
Let's not forget that these volunteers - many of whom spend what spare time they have when they're not training - raising money to keep the teams going.
On top of that, by going to such situations, they risk potentially catching the virus whilst saving lives.
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So you disapprove of climbing and camping in all circumstances, because accidents might happen?
That's just really silly.
And subsequent posts add to your unpleasant attitude to the situation, in my opinion.
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This is going round in circles, so I think I'll leave the thread for now. That does not mean you've won: you are wrong, but are being wilfully thick.
It is you who is being wilfully thick, or in your cups, if you don't understand the silliness of the statements you have made on this topic. ::)
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You're all mad, and I don't think it's my attitude that's unpleasant, SD. Anyway, I now really am off this thread.
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You're all mad, and I don't think it's my attitude that's unpleasant, SD. Anyway, I now really am off this thread.
BYE BYE!
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Eh? The idiots who were there and got into trouble exactly created the situation of the accident. If they had not stupidly been there it wouldn't have happened.
But the accident was not caused by them.
That is the point
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If they hadn't broken the law as they did the incident would not have happened.
It could have happened on a training day at any time.
The accident was caused by the rescuers
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You're all mad, and I don't think it's my attitude that's unpleasant, SD. Anyway, I now really am off this thread.
I agree with your take on this.
This does not mean that I do not have tremendous admiration for the dedication of the rescuers or deep sorrow that the accident happened.
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I agree with your take on this.
This does not mean that I do not have tremendous admiration for the dedication of the rescuers or deep sorrow that the accident happened.
Agreed.