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Christian Topic / Re: Medieval monks knew science
« Last post by Spud on August 19, 2019, 09:25:37 PM »
Macroevolution" isn't a distinct process - it's just lots of "microevolution".
Macroevolution is life forms becoming progressively more complex, which is what you claimed ("life evolved from simple beginnings ")
Sports, Hobbies & Interests / Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Last post by ProfessorDavey on August 19, 2019, 08:33:17 PM »
Actually I concur with NS on this one.
Including him simply making stuff up - in other words making up odds, where they clearly don't exist.

You are of course correct (as I suggested previously) that his overly pessimistic view is probably a negative emotional response, while his rational head tells him something different. But of course when you are a fan it is easy to let your non rational emotional gut reaction take over, regardless of whether it is overly optimistic or (as in NS's case) overly pessimistic.

Back on odds - I think the odds of Scotland going out at the group stage of between 15-20% seems about right to me. Real odds of course - not just made up stuff.
Christian Topic / Re: Medieval monks knew science
« Last post by jeremyp on August 19, 2019, 08:29:51 PM »

Yes...Gregor Mendel and even Darwin, among many others, show that there was no conflict between Faith and science even among Christians.  People thought of nature as God's creation and Science as a tool to unravel God's design and God's plans. 

Why suddenly in the mid 20th Century such a  big divide got created I wonder. It is not necessarily inevitable as many people here seem to think. Lot depends on the culture one grows up in, I think.



Darwin is a bad choice. He was never particularly religious and, in fact lost his faith when his daughter died. Georges Le Maitre would be a better example for your argument.
I too think they shouldn’t have banned these two Congresswomen but I understand why they have. They are calling for the annihilation of the State of Israel.
Sports, Hobbies & Interests / Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Last post by jeremyp on August 19, 2019, 08:18:36 PM »
What error?

'Can see Scotland getting knocked out in the group stage.'

'Likely loss to Ireland. And quite possible loss against the hosts in what looks like being a qualifier for the quarters in the last of all the group matches. Scotland not known as the best travellers.'

Are not comments that can reasonably be interpreted as anything other than you thinking Scotland going out at the group stages is a likely outcome, despite your later denial. I did not misinterpret what you wrote regardless of whether that is what you actually meant.

Actually I concur with NS on this one. His comments imply plausibility rather than better than 50% chance. The “I can see” bit is not inconsistent with that, but does suggest a fan resigned to his team screwing it up.

Anyway, I wish you guys would sometimes just let it go.
Sports, Hobbies & Interests / Re: Football 2019 - 2020
« Last post by jeremyp on August 19, 2019, 07:58:28 PM »
Shall we have a sweepstake on how many matches Frank Lampard gets?
Politics & Current Affairs / Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Last post by jeremyp on August 19, 2019, 07:56:05 PM »
There again we don't or are ever likely to agree I see asking to remain or leave easy to understand you don't agree and it just seems to me you're  side is doing more and more wriggling because your side  didn't get its own way in as I see it a legitimately constructed choice, A or B if you like.

All of this you didn't do this, they should have done that or whatever is irrelevant to me, a pointless argument and any kind of reversal would be going against fundamental democratic principles as far as I'm concerned, leave won, I doubt we'll even agree on that.

We're all hard liners on this when it comes to it yours or my arguments are at an impasse and were at an impasse back in 16 therefore referendum.

All of the information I wanted about whether I wanted to be in or out of the EU was there many years ago and I never have wanted to be a part of the EU especially ever closer union just one, a big one, amongst loads of other reasons, leavers weren't sleepwalking over your cliff the BBC keeps on shouting out for you, we just take a view that differs from yours, none of us are idiots we're not going to be convinced by anything you say and visa versa the other way.

So I'll take it you don't want a Stuka Manual then.

Regards, ippy.


Will you please shut up about not agreeing. Of course we don’t agree with you. But I still want to know why you think you personally are disadvantaged by being in the EU or how you think not being in the EU is going to make your life better. I can think of several reasons why I am better off as an EU citizen.

Your refusal to enumerate the practical benefits of leaving the EU just makes you look like a cultist. You really aren’t doing yourself any favours.
Politics & Current Affairs / Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Last post by ProfessorDavey on August 19, 2019, 07:44:15 PM »
Let's all start to make a success of leaving.
Your government doesn't have to spend billions mitigating the negative effects of something if will be a success.
Politics & Current Affairs / Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Last post by Stranger on August 19, 2019, 07:42:36 PM »
Let's all start to make a success of leaving.

Try telling that to the people who'll lose their jobs.

One of the little mentioned parts of the leaked government paper was that it would disproportionately affect low-income groups. There's a rude awakening coming if we do leave with no deal.
Politics & Current Affairs / Re: Brexit - the next steps
« Last post by Stranger on August 19, 2019, 07:36:00 PM »
I've no intention to be drawn into any kind of endless equivalent of a musical rondo, we wont either of us side find a meeting point.

So long as you just repeat your dogma, I don't see it being anything else - why don't you try actually posting some of your reasoning?

I also dread to think how we would be treated all over the world if we were seen to wimpishly have allowed ourselves to be cheated out of the leave decision, please sir Mr EU can we come back we didn't really mean it; no thanks.

Since the younger generations are pro-EU by a large majority, that's pretty much inevitable eventually. And you do understand that we're already a laughing stock, yes?

There are so many reasons other than ever closer union that leaving the EU will resolve not much that there, if anything we'd agree about.

But you haven't even said why you think that is a reason - nor have you addressed the fact that Cameron got us an opt-out.

The referendum was democratic in my estimation something else we're never going to agree about.

And you won't say on what grounds you dismiss the problems with it. Even if some people just wanted to leave on blind faith (like you, as far as I can tell from all you've said), rather than any details about the what it would be like - do you really imagine nobody who voted leave did so because of the picture painted by the leave campaign? All that money for the NHS - the easiest free trade deal in human history. None of them?
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