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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by torridon on Today at 06:23:55 AM »
Sorry, but this in no way answers the question I put to you, so I ask again, (remembering your statement " we cannot change the past, but people can try to influence the future") :

If I can't change the past, and if everything I do, think or say is entirely defined by the past - how can I possibly try to influence the future?  What can be the source of my ability to try?

At some level it comes down to the same or similar things whether you are a bear using your learning to date to better catch salmon, or whether you are a chef using his culinary knowledge trying to improve his pasta recipe.  We all have brains, brains are learning machines and we try to put that learning to good use to create a better future.  You don't need supernatural powers to try do things, and both examples are consistent with an account of mind and volition that is ultimately deterministic - neither exhibits a behaviour that is free from the underlying principle of cause and effect.
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Sriram on Today at 06:16:28 AM »
This is why we have brains, to resolve choice in complex organisms.  There'd be no point in having a brain if something else were fulfilling that role.



Hmm....so you think your computer microprocessor is deciding what you write?!   ???
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by torridon on Today at 06:12:53 AM »

'Brain is deciding'...??!!  Really?!    You guys seriously think that the brain is the deciding agency?

Unbelievable!

This is why we have brains, to resolve choice in complex organisms.  There'd be no point in having a brain if something else were fulfilling that role.
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Sriram on Today at 05:46:00 AM »
Well, scale probably does matter in the overwhelming majority of cases, but let's play Devil's advocate on this, let's assume there's an instance where a brain is deciding between two options, and it's come down to a 'casting vote' by one neuron.  It's almost at the tipping point, and we have one final electron settling from a quantum state into one of two positions which will either mean the neuron's active or it's not.

If that quantum event is random then you've got a tiny, tiny element of a piece of brain activity that isn't deterministic... so it's 'free', but what you've lost is 'will'. You've replaced inevitable consequence of prior events to absolutely independent of anything.  I don't see how that benefits your claims.

Sufficiently large numbers of predominantly deterministic events with a random element - like, say, weather patterns - for sustainable (if sometimes dynamic) patterns of activity, so it's possible.

Both of those are extremely doubtful 'ifs' though.  There is nothing that suggests, outside of Chopra-woo, that human 'will' can control quantum events, and nothing to suggest a god, let alone a will of a god with the capacity to exert that quantum influence without any apparent physical presence or existence at all.

O.


'Brain is deciding'...??!!  Really?!    You guys seriously think that the brain is the deciding agency?

Unbelievable!
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Alan Burns on October 22, 2019, 10:48:34 PM »
When you try to do something, is it for reasons or (partly or wholly) for no reason?

And before you say it (yet again); when you form a reason in illogical gibberish "the present state of your conscious awareness" is that because of reasons or (partly or wholly) for no reason?
The reason exists in your present state of conscious awareness, which does not exist in the past.
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Sports, Hobbies & Interests / Re: Book link
« Last post by Steve H on October 22, 2019, 10:46:57 PM »
The Bedsitting Room - Spike Milligan and John Antrobus
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Literature, Music, Art & Entertainment / Re: Five books - great horror stories
« Last post by Steve H on October 22, 2019, 10:44:29 PM »
'Dracula' is a very badly written book in many ways, but it gave me the nearest thing to a nightmare that I've had since childhood, so it certainly works as a horror story.
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Science and Technology / Re: Tourist attraction finds breast cancer
« Last post by Steve H on October 22, 2019, 10:41:02 PM »
Been to the camera obscura in Edinburgh, but that was in 1967, long before such fancy things as thermal imaging.
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Alan Burns on October 22, 2019, 10:39:10 PM »
Alaskan bears try to catch salmon as they swim upriver for breeding.

Do you imagine bears must therefore have supernatural powers ?

Really ?
Sorry, but this in no way answers the question I put to you, so I ask again, (remembering your statement " we cannot change the past, but people can try to influence the future") :

If I can't change the past, and if everything I do, think or say is entirely defined by the past - how can I possibly try to influence the future?  What can be the source of my ability to try?
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