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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: The Pope has died
« Last post by ProfessorDavey on April 29, 2025, 01:34:56 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on April 29, 2025, 01:22:01 PM
Obvious conclusions from a non believer.
Patronising comment from a believer.

Quote from: Alan Burns on April 29, 2025, 01:22:01 PM
The truth is that God's will and love for mankind does not change - what does cause change is the increasing drift away from faith and trust in God's love which is replaced by human pride in presuming that we have no need for God as we head towards self centred goals and lose sight of the true meaning of life.
Regardless of whether you consider god's will to be unchanging, the reality is that RCC doctrinal interpretation and practise can and does change (even if the pace of change is glacial).

So the point is whether Francis, who is portrayed as a liberal and a moderniser, actually enacted any meaningful modernisation and liberalisation within the RCC during his 12 years as pope. My view would be 'no' - lots of warm words about not judging gays etc but actually no meaningful change whatsoever.
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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: The Pope has died
« Last post by Alan Burns on April 29, 2025, 01:22:01 PM »
Quote from: ProfessorDavey on April 22, 2025, 09:46:39 AM
Well I think it is worse than that.

Realistically I can only remember 3 popes in my lifetime - Benedict was clearly very conservative and didn't just talk the conservative talk, he also walked the conservative walk.

But JP2 and Francis were portrayed as being modernisers, liberals so to speak. But this seemed to be all talk - the reality is that neither seem to have made any progress in actually modernising the RCC - so they were modernisers and liberals in name only.

And while the RCC trundles along in its unchanging conservative manner society moves on - typically in a much more liberal manner. Just think about attitudes towards women and gay people, as examples, now compared to 1978 when JP2 became pope. So perhaps in 1978 the RCCs position wasn't too far away from mainstream societal positions, but as the RCC refuses to reform and modernise the gulf between its rigid positions and societal norms grows ever wider.
Obvious conclusions from a non believer.
The truth is that God's will and love for mankind does not change - what does cause change is the increasing drift away from faith and trust in God's love which is replaced by human pride in presuming that we have no need for God as we head towards self centred goals and lose sight of the true meaning of life.
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Christian Topic / Re: Who will be the next pope?
« Last post by ProfessorDavey on April 29, 2025, 11:03:08 AM »
Quote from: Steve H on April 29, 2025, 10:21:27 AM
I'm rooting for Tagle, another liberal like Francis.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/who-will-be-the-next-pope-leading-candidate-could-be-first-asian-pontiff/ar-AA1DEx9K
Was Francis really a liberal - sure he talked the talk, but what major modernising or liberal shifts in policy did he get adopted by the RCC?
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Christian Topic / Who will be the next pope?
« Last post by Steve H on April 29, 2025, 10:21:27 AM »
I'm rooting for Tagle, another liberal like Francis.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/who-will-be-the-next-pope-leading-candidate-could-be-first-asian-pontiff/ar-AA1DEx9K
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Theism and Atheism / Re: Atheism, please note the capitalisation❤️
« Last post by Gonnagle on April 29, 2025, 09:50:11 AM »
Quote from: ekim on April 29, 2025, 09:15:22 AM
God - Old English - supreme being, deity; from Proto-Germanic guthan which is of uncertain origin; perhaps from ghut- "that which is invoked".  Originally a neuter noun in Germanic, the gender shifted to masculine after the coming of Christianity.

Dear Ekim,

That which is envoked, Eternal, absolute my own feeble attempt, Be still and know that I Am

Now we can stop, that is enough❤️

Or is it ;D

Gonnagle.
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Theism and Atheism / Re: Atheism, please note the capitalisation❤️
« Last post by ekim on April 29, 2025, 09:15:22 AM »
Quote from: Gonnagle on April 28, 2025, 06:12:07 PM
Dear Ekim and Gabriella,

Defining God?

Gonnagle.
God - Old English - supreme being, deity; from Proto-Germanic guthan which is of uncertain origin; perhaps from ghut- "that which is invoked".  Originally a neuter noun in Germanic, the gender shifted to masculine after the coming of Christianity.
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Theism and Atheism / Re: Committed atheist found!
« Last post by Gonnagle on April 29, 2025, 09:09:20 AM »
Quote from: ProfessorDavey on April 29, 2025, 09:00:33 AM
Says the person who wants atheists to be identifiable in public. Pot and kettle.

Dear Prof,

Good idea :) remember back in the day the wee badges going around, always reminded me of the star trek emblem, happy days :o

Gonnagle.
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Theism and Atheism / Re: Committed atheist found!
« Last post by ProfessorDavey on April 29, 2025, 09:00:33 AM »
Quote from: Walt Zingmatilder on April 29, 2025, 07:03:07 AM
All I asked was "what is a committed atheist". I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Says the person who wants atheists to be identifiable in public. Pot and kettle.
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Theism and Atheism / Re: Atheism, please note the capitalisation❤️
« Last post by Gonnagle on April 29, 2025, 08:36:28 AM »
Quote from: The Accountant, OBE, KC on April 29, 2025, 07:27:54 AM
From a Muslim perspective, in the Quran there is a short sura or verse called Al-Ikhlas as a response when people asked for a definition of Allah - https://quran.com/al-ikhlas?translations=131%2C22%2C19

I included 3 different translations in the link ranging from older English to more modern translation. One translation below:

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “He is Allah—One;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none comparable to Him

Dear Gabriella,

And that will do for me❤️ Eternal, Absolute,.

And now that we have the God question out of the way, lets talk Islam, specifically the question of laughter, I have read about it, but if you don't mind, Gabriella's thoughts on the subject, please.

Gonnagle.
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Theism and Atheism / Re: Committed atheist found!
« Last post by Maeght on April 29, 2025, 08:04:16 AM »
Quote from: Walt Zingmatilder on April 29, 2025, 07:03:07 AM
All I asked was "what is a committed atheist". I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

That's not all you asked though - you also asked 'but if there are Committed atheists going about don’t you think the public Should be as well informed as possible?' That is what has prompted the replies you are seeing.
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