Leadsom/UKIP.

[Nearly Sane]

I agree.

I reckon she has stood down because people in her own camp have seen that she is too inexperienced in handling the pressure (only a couple of days worth) and have lost faith in her.

Not helped by the puffed up CV with its obvious lies. In my opinion that would make her highly questionable in any role.

[Udayana]

Ah .. another update:

"Labour’s general election co-ordinator Jon Trickett says his party has not called for a snap election, but insists it will be ready if there is one."

[Jack Knave]

Both Labour and LDs have called for an election on the grounds that May has no mandate.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/opposition-parties-call-for-early-general-election-following-theresa-may-coronation-a7130896.html

My feeling is that we won't have one unless a vote on triggering Article 50 does not pass (if there is to be a vote).

There is no vote on triggering Art 50, it is up to the government to choose the timing.

May has a mandate from the 2015 Conservative manifesto.

Also, an early GE can only occur if 1) a vote of no confidence in the government is obtains or 2) 66% of the Commons votes for one. Neither are going to happen.

Secondly, the Tories are talking about having stability and calm in the country and activating an early GE would just throw the cards further into the air.

[Jack Knave]

Labour would be insane to call for an election right now; they could be annihilated.   Suicide is painless ...

But the ironic thing is the threat of a GE when Cameron resigned is what, from what I can see, triggered the machinations that have taken place in the Labour party. Which in my books seems to have been a bad calculation...?

[Nearly Sane]

But the ironic thing is the threat of a GE when Cameron resigned is what, from what I can see, triggered the machinations that have taken place in the Labour party. Which in my books seems to have been a bad calculation...?

Sorry, threat by whom?

[Jack Knave]

Sorry, threat by whom?

Threat as in fear that his resignation might result in one, because of a new leader. And that most of the Labour PLP seeing no hope in Corbyn in winning a GE panicked.

[Nearly Sane]

Threat as in fear that his resignation might result in one, because of a new leader.

Not following this. David Cameron resigning was somehow a threat of a GE except he wouldn't be in power? How does that work and what was it meant to achieve ?

[Jack Knave]

Not following this. David Cameron resigning was somehow a threat of a GE except he wouldn't be in power? How does that work and what was it meant to achieve ?

It would be or could be seen that a new leader would require a new mandate from the people i.e. a GE. The moderate Labour lot panicked....?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The last Brexiteer who could slurry their way to the top job has valiantly chickened out.....
A vote to leave moral fibre I think.

[Nearly Sane]

It would be or could be seen that a new leader would require a new mandate from the people i.e. a GE. The moderate Labour lot panicked....?

Don't see it. Labour Party works to its own drummer here. Longer term allows Corbyn supporters to deselect those who don't support him. They also were worried by Chilcott. Also having a Tory party about at that stage to tear itself apart isn't worrying. Possibly because they thought there would be an internal battle in the Tories, they thought there was a chance for some knifing. As usual they forget about the Tories will to power.

[jakswan]

I think the Tories would insane not go for an early GE, with the labour civil war they could turn a slim majority to a big majority.

[Nearly Sane]

I think the Tories would insane not go for an early GE, with the labour civil war they could turn a slim majority to a big majority.

So they vote no confidence in themselves?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think the Tories would insane not go for an early GE, with the labour civil war they could turn a slim majority to a big majority.

Yes, but as the great Irish philosopher Johnny Logan put it ''What's another year?''.

May will go in 2020 on a job half finished, still not out of the woods yet ticket. Then possibly an unbeatable coalition of non tories 2025.

[Hope]

Then possibly an unbeatable coalition of non tories 2025.

Not sure that the Greens, SNP, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru - perhaps UKIP - and the various other small parties will have enough MPs to oust whoever wins the 2020 General election, Vlad.  Will a rump centrist Labour party (if a split has taken place) really want to go into coalition with such folk?

[jeremyp]

So they vote no confidence in themselves?

No, they just need a two thirds majority in a vote to have a general election.

[Nearly Sane]

No, they just need a two thirds majority in a vote to have a general election.

And while there is a mathematical chance of that it's not something they have or can control. That said going for it and getting voted down could be made to look good.

[Jack Knave]

Don't see it. Labour Party works to its own drummer here. Longer term allows Corbyn supporters to deselect those who don't support him. They also were worried by Chilcott. Also having a Tory party about at that stage to tear itself apart isn't worrying. Possibly because they thought there would be an internal battle in the Tories, they thought there was a chance for some knifing. As usual they forget about the Tories will to power.

If I've got this right they can only deselect if there is a GE about to take place, hence my argument.

Chilcot? Can't see this really. Unless they had a quick fire process to get Corbyn out, which the half cocked twats didn't have, then I can't see the link here.

But the Tories weren't about to have an internal battle because Cameron stepped down; the only real possible cause of an internecine, if he had stayed. What his stepping down did do was bring in a new PM which had the threat of a early GE, hence the deselection angst.

And finally, on Ch4 News last night, a Labourite said that this had all come about because of the possibility of an early GE.

[Jack Knave]

No, they just need a two thirds majority in a vote to have a general election.

Good luck with that one!!!     

[ProfessorDavey]

No, they just need a two thirds majority in a vote to have a general election.

Theoretically, although there is another alternative which is to repeal the Fixed Term Parliament Act and return to a simple majority position.

The final possibility is for the government to resign and for no alternative government to receive sufficient support to govern.

All these could lead to a general election without the two thirds majority.