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We should remember them, too.
« on: October 21, 2018, 10:25:08 PM »
I found this letter from a 'conshie' to his one year old daughter, dated 1917, incredibly moving and worth a share. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKLFeYGhE8&fbclid=IwAR0Brnqmg19u8oZvsWT1E2X98d-NzIw9XYFuarY0HXD6CytHHYmHwHZJ4jM
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2018, 10:27:43 PM »
I've just ordered some white poppies from the PPU, and will wear one alongside a red poppy on 11th November.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2018, 10:36:04 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on October 21, 2018, 10:27:43 PM
I've just ordered some white poppies from the PPU, and will wear one alongside a red poppy on 11th November.
Quote from: Steve H on October 21, 2018, 10:27:43 PM
I've just ordered some white poppies from the PPU, and will wear one alongside a red poppy on 11th November.
   




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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2018, 10:54:28 PM »
Did I post it twice? One must have been deleted by a mod.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2018, 12:51:43 PM »
One of my grandfather's didn't approve of war, however whilst he didn't wish to fight, he did join the army during WW1 and work with the army medics at the frontline, which was the right thing to do, imo. 


 
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2018, 12:54:51 PM »
I wear a red and a white poppy too.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2018, 01:40:05 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 22, 2018, 12:51:43 PM
One of my grandfather's didn't approve of war, however whilst he didn't wish to fight, he did join the army during WW1 and work with the army medics at the frontline, which was the right thing to do, imo. 


 
   



Why was it the right thing to do?
I think NOT volunteering to fight in WWI was the brave thing to do.
How many young men died for their'betters' without even being able to vote for them?
(I write as someone whose grandfather fought at the Somme, and came back sickened and detesting the flag under which he fought.)
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2018, 01:45:54 PM »
I am glad my grandfather did what I believe to be the right thing, he helped those who were injured and put himself at risk by doing so.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2018, 01:46:18 PM »
I don't wear a poppy at all, and get glared at by the people collecting outside Tesco. I do donate to the village collection, but don't want to wear one. That should be my private business but apparently it's up there with going around wearing a sign saying 'I kick puppies'.
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2018, 01:47:39 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 22, 2018, 12:51:43 PM
One of my grandfather's didn't approve of war, however whilst he didn't wish to fight, he did join the army during WW1 and work with the army medics at the frontline, which was the right thing to do, imo.

Was that joining the battle regiments though or was that joining a medical corp? Aren't they different things? Or am I wrong?
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2018, 01:53:36 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 22, 2018, 01:46:18 PM
I don't wear a poppy at all, and get glared at by the people collecting outside Tesco. I do donate to the village collection, but don't want to wear one. That should be my private business but apparently it's up there with going around wearing a sign saying 'I kick puppies'.
I wear both a red and a white poppy...thankfully, I can't see the glares. But there's nothing worse than the poppy police. The whole point of the act is voluntary. To force the poppy on anyone defeats its' pyrpose. I donate to PoppyScoland (now that it is no longer the Earl Haig fund). (Mind you, I was proud to be insulted by a twit who called me a 'blind b------d' and a nazi scum because I wore a lapel broach with the poppy and saltire on it....I took the greatest delight in telling him that the broach was manufactured by war veterans at the Lady Haig factory by PoppyScotland !)
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2018, 01:54:55 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 22, 2018, 01:46:18 PM
I don't wear a poppy at all, and get glared at by the people collecting outside Tesco. I do donate to the village collection, but don't want to wear one. That should be my private business but apparently it's up there with going around wearing a sign saying 'I kick puppies'.
Neither do I, usually - my tiny protest at poppy-fascism. This year, though, being the centenary of the armistice, I will wear a red and a white one, as I said above.
Good for your grandfather, LR.
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2018, 01:55:22 PM »
I always wear my RED poppy and respect the 3 minute silence. I was born five years after WW2, but the war was never far from our thoughts as the evidence of the German occupation was all around us until well into the 60s. As I have mentioned many times, my childhood home hosted 13 Germans who left a lot of stuff behind including their helmets, ammunition and even a grenade I came across when I was ten.
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2018, 02:03:42 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on October 22, 2018, 01:46:18 PM
I don't wear a poppy at all, and get glared at by the people collecting outside Tesco. I do donate to the village collection, but don't want to wear one. That should be my private business but apparently it's up there with going around wearing a sign saying 'I kick puppies'.

It is your private business. It annoys me that everyone appearing on TV 'has' to wear one. Considering they fall off so easily, leaving you with just a pin, I don't blame anyone for not wearing a poppy.

I bought a couple of poppy 'brooches' two or three years ago, one red from a store and one white online from an organisation, the money went to the relevant charities and, like you, I put money in tins. Last year I didn't wear either poppy, just didn't think of it. No-one said anything to me. My husband never, ever wears one but is happy to donate.

Poppy fascism gets my goat. Are children coerced into poppy wearing by schools? Don't think mine were, I'd remember something like that.

LR's grandfather probably joined the Royal Army Medical Corps.

 
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2018, 02:11:46 PM »
I only know my grandfather, who died before I was born, helped the medics I don't know if he was part of the RAMC. Before the WW2 he was a top civil servant who had a claim to fame.   
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2018, 02:12:38 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 22, 2018, 01:55:22 PM
I always wear my RED poppy and respect the 3 minute silence. I was born five years after WW2, but the war was never far from our thoughts as the evidence of the German occupation was all around us until well into the 60s. As I have mentioned many times, my childhood home hosted 13 Germans who left a lot of stuff behind including their helmets, ammunition and even a grenade I came across when I was ten.


We had a POW camp - Pennylands - a mile outside the town.
After WWII, most of the Germans and some of the Italians went home; some stayed.
One especially was a great friend of mine; he married a local lass and they lived happily together till he died in 1999. Horst was a very proud German Scot, and ordained elder in my church.
He always wore both a red and a white poppy on Rememberance Sunday.

Curiously, one of his best friends was Murdoch Laurie....who had been in a POW camp in GERMANY after having been shot down in the Lancaster bomber he was serving in as a rear gunner.
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2018, 02:18:33 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on October 22, 2018, 02:12:38 PM

We had a POW camp - Pennylands - a mile outside the town.
After WWII, most of the Germans and some of the Italians went home; some stayed.
One especially was a great friend of mine; he married a local lass and they lived happily together till he died in 1999. Horst was a very proud German Scot, and ordained elder in my church.
He always wore both a red and a white poppy on Rememberance Sunday.

Curiously, one of his best friends was Murdoch Laurie....who had been in a POW camp in GERMANY after having been shot down in the Lancaster bomber he was serving in as a rear gunner.


My father was the foreman of the team putting bomb doors on the Lancaster bomber.
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2018, 11:44:27 AM »
'White Poppies are attention seeking rubbish'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45971456
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2018, 11:54:26 AM »
My white poppies arrived this morning. I'l wear one, along with a red one, during the week before Remembrance Sunday (which coincidentally falls on 11th this year).
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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2018, 12:05:01 PM »
I don't think white poppies should be worn on Remembrance Day, which is to remember members of the armed forces killed during the two world wars. If people wish to remember those pacifists who refused to join up, it should be done on a different day, imo.
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2018, 12:10:41 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 25, 2018, 12:05:01 PM
I don't think white poppies should be worn on Remembrance Day, which is to remember members of the armed forces killed during the two world wars. If people wish to remember those pacifists who refused to join up, it should be done on a different day, imo.



My aforementioned grandfather wore nether...and, after his experience of the Somme, threatened to use the union jack - or butcher's apron - as a toilet roll, should any come within his hands reach.
It's a matter of choice, I suppose.
I wear a white poppy as a symbolof peacer, and a red to remember the useless slaughter of young lives.
Their nationality doesn't matter, nor does the flag they fought under.
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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2018, 12:20:25 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 25, 2018, 12:05:01 PM
I don't think white poppies should be worn on Remembrance Day, which is to remember members of the armed forces killed during the two world wars. If people wish to remember those pacifists who refused to join up, it should be done on a different day, imo.
That isn't what the white poppy is for.
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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2018, 12:23:38 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on October 25, 2018, 12:20:25 PM
That isn't what the white poppy is for.

Quite.
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2018, 12:27:05 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on October 25, 2018, 12:05:01 PM
I don't think white poppies should be worn on Remembrance Day, which is to remember members of the armed forces killed during the two world wars. If people wish to remember those pacifists who refused to join up, it should be done on a different day, imo.
Put your stick on the floor.
Pick it back up again by the other end.
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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2018, 12:38:21 PM »
Quote from: Sebastian Toe on October 25, 2018, 12:27:05 PM
Put your stick on the floor.
Pick it back up again by the other end.

Ehhhhhhhhh?
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