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Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« on: December 12, 2018, 02:32:25 PM »
...believe it or not, was not one of Ken Dodd's comic creations, but a real person - an early 20th-Century composer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliphant_Chuckerbutty
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2018, 03:41:47 PM »
My parents were friendly with a man and his wife by the name of Oliphant when I was a kid, they are long dead.
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2018, 04:52:13 PM »
Quote from: Oliphant Chuckerbutty on December 12, 2018, 02:32:25 PM
...believe it or not, was not one of Ken Dodd's comic creations, but a real person - an early 20th-Century composer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliphant_Chuckerbutty

I believe that Ken Dodd kept the musical connection in his own creation. 'Raphael Chuckabutty' was, according to Doddy,  a renowned operatic tenor. It was a nickname I gave myself for a while.
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2018, 09:17:33 PM »
He had excellent names, Soorjo and Langobard. Wow, who'd have thought of them?
Wilson Oliphant for short.
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2018, 10:23:55 PM »
Quote from: Dicky Underpants on December 12, 2018, 04:52:13 PM
I believe that Ken Dodd kept the musical connection in his own creation. 'Raphael Chuckabutty' was, according to Doddy,  a renowned operatic tenor. It was a nickname I gave myself for a while.
Also a sausage-knotter. Maybe Doddy heard of Oliphant and thought the name was humorous, so pinched it. My guess is that it's one of the variant forms of Chakrabati, which is a fairly common Indian surname.
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2018, 10:38:47 PM »
Did 'oliphants' not make an appearance in Lord of the Rings (as kind of hyper-elephants)?
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2018, 08:55:15 AM »
A bit off topic, as amusing as Ken Dodd was on stage, in real life he was a very private person. He was brilliant with our Down's Syndrome son when we met him when the lad was eight. :)
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2018, 10:43:20 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on December 12, 2018, 10:38:47 PM
Did 'oliphants' not make an appearance in Lord of the Rings (as kind of hyper-elephants)?
Nearly - I think they were "oliphaunts".
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2018, 11:52:39 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on December 13, 2018, 08:55:15 AM
A bit off topic, as amusing as Ken Dodd was on stage, in real life he was a very private person. He was brilliant with our Down's Syndrome son when we met him when the lad was eight. :)

Very good memory to have LR. By all accounts, he was a great man as well as a tireless entertainer. No=one ever has bad word to say about him.

Steveh your new nickname suits you :-).
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2018, 01:44:22 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on December 13, 2018, 11:52:39 PM
Very good memory to have LR. By all accounts, he was a great man as well as a tireless entertainer. No=one ever has bad word to say about him.
Except possibly HM Revenue and Customs!
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2018, 02:08:00 PM »
I'd forgotten about the tax business. Who cares? He probably paid a fortune in tax, can't blame him for not wanting to pay more - if indeed he did evade. IIrc, he was cleared.
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2018, 05:06:42 PM »
Yes - he was acquitted. There was some running gag about accountants being comedians but comedians are never accountants. The whole thing did not stop him from getting a knighthood.
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2018, 09:15:03 AM »
Quote from: Oliphant Chuckerbutty on December 14, 2018, 01:44:22 PM
Except possibly HM Revenue and Customs!:D

I remember the court case, he was probably guilty, but he had the jury in stitches and they didn't have the heart to convict him.
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2018, 09:20:28 AM »
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he was probably guilty,

Oh of course he was!

Because obviously you sat in the courtroom and heard all of the evidence and made your decision based on that evidence.

Oops. Except you didn't did you?

Now I'm not saying the judicial system gets it right all the time, but on a percentage basis it works a damn sight better than "imo"

Once again you are resorting to your favoured movement, the knee jerk.
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2018, 12:05:57 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on December 15, 2018, 09:15:03 AM
I remember the court case, he was probably guilty, but he had the jury in stitches and they didn't have the heart to convict him.

My recollection was nothing like this. I think you are fantasising.

If I recall correctly, he was considered to be rather foolish in the way he dealt with money and his finances but HMRC (or whatever it was then) was shown to be heavy handed - even vindictive - in the way that it had behaved.
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2018, 12:13:27 PM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on December 15, 2018, 12:05:57 PM
My recollection was nothing like this. I think you are fantasising.

If I recall correctly, he was considered to be rather foolish in the way he dealt with money and his finances but HMRC (or whatever it was then) was shown to be heavy handed - even vindictive - in the way that it had behaved.


Maybe this is what I was remembering, it was a quite a while ago now.


https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11926587.court-breaks-out-in-cheers-as-tax-case-jury-frees-ken-dodd/
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Re: Oliphant Chuckerbutty...
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2018, 06:33:26 PM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on December 15, 2018, 09:20:28 AM
Oh of course he was!

Because obviously you sat in the courtroom and heard all of the evidence and made your decision based on that evidence.

Oops. Except you didn't did you?

Now I'm not saying the judicial system gets it right all the time, but on a percentage basis it works a damn sight better than "imo"

Once again you are resorting to your favoured movement, the knee jerk.
:D I'd've let that comment pass myself, but given that you didn't, I did chuckle a bit at your post.
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