Author Topic: Rental e-scooters to be made legal on roads in Great Britain from Saturday  (Read 9302 times)

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53253194

The RNIB is very concerned about how these e-scooters could endanger blind and partially sight people.

I'm struggling as to why they are more difficult than electric or hybrid  cars if the lack of noise is an issue.

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It would be interesting to have the views of Susan Doris and Anchorman on the topic as the both have impaired vision.
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It would be interesting to have the views of Susan Doris and Anchorman on the topic as the both have impaired vision.
Agree, though given they have not been legal up to now, it may be difficult for any real knowledge about the e-scooters to be had.

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Agree, though given they have not been legal up to now, it may be difficult for any real knowledge about the e-scooters to be had.

What I don't understand is why it is ok to rent one, but not own one.  :-\
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 Seb Toe asked why were they a bad idea in the context of the thread being allowed on roads, your arguments were irrelevant.

And they aren't legal on pavements.


I am already well aware of just how much you enjoy pointing out my failings and deficiencies in matters of argument and discussion but if you would care to read my full #2 you will see why your comment was unnecessary.

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Better (on the roads) than allowing them to race along the pavements with absolutely no regard for the pedestrians also using them.

Over the past four or five months, there have been at least five accidents involving these near-lethal lazy bugger transportation devices on the stretch of pavement outside the shops across from Hounslow West Station.

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What I don't understand is why it is ok to rent one, but not own one.  :-\
No, I am not really getting that either since presumably it means if I own one I can't use it, but can rent it put. But I can use one that I rent from someone else.

I suspect that it's an insurance question that there are available insurance products for individual owners but there are for corporate owners.

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I am already well aware of just how much you enjoy pointing out my failings and deficiencies in matters of argument and discussion but if you would care to read my full #2 you will see why your comment was unnecessary.

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Which given they are not legal on pavements, and Seb Toe was talking about them in the context of use on road remains entirely irrelevant.

The idea that I have any enjoyment in pointing put your errors is just you making stuff up. 

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Which given they are not legal on pavements, and Seb Toe was talking about them in the context of use on road remains entirely irrelevant.

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I would have thought that the word "Better" at the beginning of my post would indicate that I was well aware that the OP referred to permitting them on the roads and does not change the fact that although they are not legal on pavements it does nor change the fact that they ARE used on pavement apparently with impunity!

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The idea that I have any enjoyment in pointing put your errors is just you making stuff up.


My being on the receiving end does not feel as if you are not speaking like a schoolmaster pointing out a basic error that even a moron would not make.

Maybe it is just because I am all too well aware of my being way below the intellectual standards of most posters on this Forum. Maybe it is because I left school at 15 to join the Army (the now disbanded Junior Leaders Regiment - Royal Armoured Corps before I get called a liar (not by you, but someone would have done) for saying I joined at that age - you can't do it any more) and is, therefore, all my own fault.

Hey ho! 

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Bloody ridiculous. I sopped playing with scooters when I was about seven. Some people need to grow up. I saw a 30+ bloke jumping the gun, riding one on the road, yesterday. Twat.
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Too slow, not visible enough, no lights.

They are allowed up to 15mph which is about as fast as most people go on a bicycle. They are probably more visible than a bike because you stand upright on one. There's no reason why thy can't have lights any more than there's no reason why a bike can't have lights.
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Mis-judging the distance between two pedestrians and so sitting both on their arses on the pavement then rapidly disappearing in the distance without a backward glance.

Knocking over children who are walking with their backs to ten approaching scooter.
So you're against bicycles too?
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My being on the receiving end does not feel as if you are not speaking like a schoolmaster pointing out a basic error that even a moron would not make.

Maybe it is just because I am all too well aware of my being way below the intellectual standards of most posters on this Forum. Maybe it is because I left school at 15 to join the Army (the now disbanded Junior Leaders Regiment - Royal Armoured Corps before I get called a liar (not by you, but someone would have done) for saying I joined at that age - you can't do it any more) and is, therefore, all my own fault.

Hey ho!
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They are allowed up to 15mph which is about as fast as most people go on a bicycle. They are probably more visible than a bike because you stand upright on one. There's no reason why thy can't have lights any more than there's no reason why a bike can't have lights.
And you need to have passed a driving test to use one unlike a bike.

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I'm struggling as to why they are more difficult than electric or hybrid  cars if the lack of noise is an issue.

Or bicycles which are also pretty quiet unless the rider is having a heart attack through over-exertion.
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And you need to have passed a driving test to use one unlike a bike.

The news item I saw said you need to have a provisional licence.
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The news item I saw said you need to have a provisional licence.
Ah, thank you for the clarification.

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Or bicycles which are also pretty quiet unless the rider is having  heart attack through over-exertion.
I may be very sad but that made me laugh.

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So you're against bicycles too?


On pavements? Damn right I am, especially after dark! No lights, no bell, dressed entirely in black and usually on a mobile phone as well!


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That's exactly why I said 'certain' roads, or else some bright spark would have probably tried to remind me that they aren't allowed on motorways. :)

I would far rather ride on shared-use pavements because it is far less dangerous for me than riding on the accompanying road. I am always careful to avoid pedestrians of course. Indeed, I rode on one(the pavement not the pedestrian :D) today.
Another, more selfish, reason for not riding on pavements is that you don't have right of way at side roads, unlike the road.
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Another, more selfish, reason for not riding on pavements is that you don't have right of way at side roads, unlike the road.

Whenever I get to any road, I always stop on the bicycle and only cross when it is safe to do so. On any stretch of share-use pavement as long as my view is unrestricted there is no problem. I am much more at risk on a busy road, especially when there are parked cars to negotiate. So, I'll continue to use the pavements wherever and whenever legally allowable because I find them safer.
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The law should require everyone riding an e-scooter or bicycle, to wear helmets, high-viz jackets and have appropriate lights fitted. A test should also be required before you can go out on the public highway on them.
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The law should require everyone riding an e-scooter or bicycle, to wear helmets, high-viz jackets and have appropriate lights fitted. A test should also be required before you can go out on the public highway on them.
No, no, no, and no. Helmets are pretty much useless, and in any case cyclist head injuries are rare, high-viz jackets may be a good idea, ut there's not much of an evidential case for making them compulsory, Lights are required at night, but there's no reason to make the fitting of them compulsory if the bike is not used at night, and there's no evidence that tests would improve anything. You'll be telling us next that cyclists should pay road tax.
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Helmets are NOT useless, they are better than wearing no head protection at all. All children have to wear them when training for their cycle proficiency test. As for high-viz jackets, it is crazy if a cyclist can't be seen at night or in bad visibility, they should also be mandatory.
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Helmets are NOT useless, they are better than wearing no head protection at all. All children have to wear them when training for their cycle proficiency test. As for high-viz jackets, it is crazy if a cyclist can't be seen at night or in bad visibility, they should also be mandatory.
I'm sure that, like all intelligent people, you believe in evidence-based legislation, so how about providing some statistical evidence to back up your assertions?
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No, no, no, and no. Helmets are pretty much useless, and in any case, cyclist head injuries are rare, high-viz jackets may be a good idea, but there's not much of an evidential case for making them compulsory, Lights are required at night, but there's no reason to make the fitting of them compulsory if the bike is not used at night, and there's no evidence that tests would improve anything. You'll be telling us next that cyclists should pay road tax.


This is a wind-up, right?
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