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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2024, 01:04:03 PM »
And now those little teasers the Greens have said they will definitely vote against Yousaf in the personal no confidence vote.

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2024, 02:08:23 PM »
Apparently Yousaf didn't mean to anger the Greens. He doesn't like them when they are angry.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2024, 07:18:23 PM »
I think Regan should abstain on the personal vote and vote against the one in the govt, and say she looks forward to working with the party in choosing an actively pro independence FM, who is not involved with the Murrells as being their preferred candidate.

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2024, 11:33:40 AM »
Fairly grovelling apology from Ian Blackford to the Greens on Sunday with Laura Kuennsberg this morning.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-68915741

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgyxq90325o
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2024, 05:49:00 AM »
Greens convening to vote on whether they accept invite to meeting with ayousaf who is now considering resigning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72p91kznz8o

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2024, 10:07:00 AM »
It's over for Humza Yousaf
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2024, 12:13:47 PM »
I imagine that they'll go for Swinney given his experience as an interim choice - but I could be wrong.

Labour may like to force a Holyrood election by not supporting a replacement but I doubt the Tories or Greens will, since the last thing the Tories want is a Holyrood election before the Westminster GE.


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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2024, 01:48:04 PM »
I imagine that they'll go for Swinney given his experience as an interim choice - but I could be wrong.

Labour may like to force a Holyrood election by not supporting a replacement but I doubt the Tories or Greens will, since the last thing the Tories want is a Holyrood election before the Westminster GE.
The Labour vote of no confidence remains in place, and the Tories will vote for it, and have to do so. They'll be hoping the Greens don't vote for it.

I do wish parties wouldn't pull out the unelected PM/FM line because it makes them look like the total hypocrites they are when things are reversed.

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2024, 02:32:35 PM »
Bookies suspending betting on Swinney.

SNP can't deliver a bottle recycling plan but can recycle a leader.

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2024, 02:39:01 PM »
And Greens not supporting the Labour no confidence vote. So the SNP, and Tories will breathe sigh of relief

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2024, 09:22:48 PM »

I do wish parties wouldn't pull out the unelected PM/FM line because it makes them look like the total hypocrites they are when things are reversed.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2024, 11:21:31 AM »
Fergus Ewing: How Kate Forbes can save the SNP

Hmm.... not so sure and perhaps it is time for a proper split.

https://archive.fo/tJFvX

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2024, 08:38:52 PM »
When you are Deputy FM and the FM resigns and the Oddschecker site has you at 66/1, higher odds than Salmond who isn't in the parliament, and they misspell your name, it may be time to wonder if you are making an impact. Eh, Shona Robison?

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2024, 03:23:22 PM »
If I were Kate Forbes, I wouldn't stand for leadership. If I were a John Swinney supporter, I would be begging her to stand.

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2024, 03:37:05 PM »
SNP survive, no surprise.

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2024, 10:28:20 AM »

The meeting between Swinney and Forbes if it has lead to no contest won't deal with the issues in the party.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c88zvgl9y9go

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2024, 11:46:32 AM »
The meeting between Swinney and Forbes if it has lead to no contest won't deal with the issues in the party.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c88zvgl9y9go
Gather Forbes is making a statement later and Swinney has offered her a top job.

Realistically I think Forbes would be well advised not to run - if Yousuf found it difficult to pull together a governing coalition, surely Forbes would find it way more difficult as I doubt the Greens would touch her with a barge pole. Which would leave her to the vagaries of minority governing, which given her major policy differences with many of her own MSPs would surely leave her hostage to fortune for potential SNP rebels.

To be honest Forbes holds view so different to those that the current SNP administration was elected on she would need a genuine electoral mandate to be credible. Bit like Truss vs Boris.

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2024, 11:54:19 AM »
Gather Forbes is making a statement later and Swinney has offered her a top job.

Realistically I think Forbes would be well advised not to run - if Yousuf found it difficult to pull together a governing coalition, surely Forbes would find it way more difficult as I doubt the Greens would touch her with a barge pole. Which would leave her to the vagaries of minority governing, which given her major policy differences with many of her own MSPs would surely leave her hostage to fortune for potential SNP rebels.

To be honest Forbes holds view so different to those that the current SNP administration was elected on she would need a genuine electoral mandate to be credible. Bit like Truss vs Boris.
As per earlier post, if I were Forbes I wouldn't run but I think 'coronations' have their own problems, and this one in particular since it leads to the charge that the Greens become FM makers, and by default the people choosing the leader of the SNP.


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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2024, 12:10:08 PM »
As per earlier post, if I were Forbes I wouldn't run but I think 'coronations' have their own problems, and this one in particular since it leads to the charge that the Greens become FM makers, and by default the people choosing the leader of the SNP.
I agree - I don't think there is an easy way out of this. However, I'm not sure that an election involving party members is the right approach to select a FM or PM, i.e. when a party is in power. Fine in opposition as the selected person has no power unless also selected by the overall electorate in a general election. I think it is better to have that person demonstrate they have the confidence of the parliament itself for the selection should be in the hands of the elected members, who have both an electoral mandate and also a level of accountability in a manner that someone who has spent ten bob on becoming a member of a political party doesn't.

Selection of a new PM or FM by party membership has a really bad track record - see Truss, Boris, Yousaf. And in opposition also has a pretty ropey track record (albeit largely irrelevant as the LotO has no direct power) - see Corbyn, Hague, IDS, Miliband (E rather than D).

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PM »
And it's Swinney!!!

He now has to deal with promoting Forbes into the cabinet, and still getting the backing of the Greens on key votes.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c88zvgl9y9go

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2024, 08:17:34 PM »
Quite extraordinary piece from Kenny Farquharson on Kate Forbes, dripping with Christianophobia. Apparently Scotland should be proud to have the first Muslim leader, avowedly devout, in the West but Forbes shouldn't be leader.


https://archive.fo/0JnaX
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2024, 08:50:18 PM »
Quite extraordinary piece from Kenny Farquharson on Kate Forbes, dripping with Christianophobia. Apparently Scotland should be proud to have the first Muslim leader, avowedly devout, in the West but Forbes shouldn't be leader.


https://archive.fo/0JnaX
Disagree - being against the extreme views of some fundamentalist christians isn't being christianophobic any more than being against the Westboro baptist church's views is. He is clear that his objection is to Forbes views not christian beliefs in general. If you cannot object to extreme views of some religious people (that are not shared by many others of that religion) without having accusations of (inset relevant religion)-ophobia then we are in a really dark place.

In fact I think we allow people to get away with extreme views when justified 'cos of my religious beliefs' too much as if being religious provides a get out of jail free card on 'owning' your views. I don't care in what way a person justifies their views, they are a choice that that person, and that person alone makes, and that person 'owns' them.
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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2024, 09:06:06 PM »
Disagree - being against the extreme views of some fundamentalist christians isn't being christianophobic any more than being against the Westboro baptist church's views is. He is clear that his objection is to Forbes views not christian beliefs in general. If you cannot object to extreme views of some religious people (that are not shared by many others of that religion) without having accusations of (inset relevant religion)-ophobia then we are in a really dark place.

In fact I think we allow people to get away with extreme views when justified 'cos of my religious beliefs' too much as if being religious provides a get out of jail free card on 'owning' your views. I don't care in what way a person justifies their views, they are a choice that that person, and that person alone makes, and that person 'owns' them.
And yet he celebrates a devout Muslim being elected. One who avoided a vote on gay marriage. So Islam as an entirety is OK, Christianity isn't. Double standards.


I wouldn't vote for Forbes but if you think she is unfit to be FM you think Yousaf is.

And I disagree with a lot of people on a lot of things, it doesn't mean that I think they aren't fit for office. And I don't think any particular justification does make it better so we can ignore that.

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Re: Scottish Greens to vote on SNP power-sharing deal
« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2024, 09:19:18 PM »
And yet he celebrates a devout Muslim being elected. One who avoided a vote on gay marriage. So Islam as an entirety is OK, Christianity isn't. Double standards.
Don't be stupid NS - Yousaf and for that matter Sunak, Khan (as other non christian senior politicians) haven't said they think people choosing to have sex are sinners because they aren't married, nor stated they are against gay marriage etc - had they done so then I'm sure Farquharson would be just as critical. Similarly I doubt he'd have any issue with other christian politicians whose opinions are more mainstream and not just in general terms but amongst christians (Forbes views are extreme across the spectrum of views of UK christians).

And you are also completely missing the point regarding role models - he praises "a Hindu in Downing Street, a black first minister in Cardiff, a Muslim mayor in London and a Scots Asian in Bute House" not because they are inherently more worthy than christians, but because they are trailblazers - we'd never before had leading non-christian or ethnic minority leaders. The point is that they allow people of non white ethnicity or non christian religions to aspire to be political leaders. There is no such need for christianity as we've had 'role models' of christians as PMs etc as long as we've had PMs.

Bur of course none of those individuals (the Hindu in Downing Street, a black first minister in Cardiff, a Muslim mayor in London and a Scots Asian in Bute House) hold such extreme views as Forbes, although there will be other Hindus, Muslims etc that do) - it is the extreme views of Forbes that is his focus, not her christianity.
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