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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #250 on: November 01, 2019, 04:37:40 PM »
I can't believe it. They scheduled the third place playoff on a Friday. It was over before I knew it was on. Entirely predictable result.
Yes - seems strange - don't know why they didn't have the 3rd place match on Saturday and the final on Sunday.

Agree, entirely predictable result.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #251 on: November 01, 2019, 04:41:58 PM »
However my point is a more general one about the haka - I've long thought it wrong that NZ get two motivational set pieces prior to a match, the national anthem and the haka, while other teams get just one. Seems fairer to me that NZ should have to choose which one they want, either the national anthem or the haka, but not both.

I was quite amused some years ago by an interview ahead of the Calcutta Cup, I don't recall which player it was with, where the interviewer was attempting to agitate some anti-English sentiment, and the player pointed out he wasn't upset at the anthems, it just meant there were two anthems that applied to him rather than simply the one, but that ultimately that didn't make the blindest bit of difference.

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I'm also glad that we are much more accepting of a robust response to the haka (e.g. England, or turning back or simply continuing to lightly practice). The old approach where the opposition were obliged to simply stand respectfully and watch as NZ built themselves up for the start of the match was wrong.

I believe - although I'm prepared to be proven wrong - that you aren't permitted to turn your back or walk away from the Haka (or the Sipi Tau, or the others) or it's another offence that can be met with a fine.

And, to hear a Maori I used to play with, that sort of disrespect would rile them up more than meeting the Haka head on.  I'm not sure that's wise :)

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #252 on: November 01, 2019, 04:58:04 PM »
I believe - although I'm prepared to be proven wrong - that you aren't permitted to turn your back or walk away from the Haka (or the Sipi Tau, or the others) or it's another offence that can be met with a fine.
Which I think is wrong - the haka is highly aggressive and inherently confrontational (just watch it) and it is one way - the opposing side don't get their own opportunity to respond. So I think, in the interests of fairness, that the opposition should be able to do what they want while the haka is ongoing in their own half. And if that means turning their backs, then so be it.

And, to hear a Maori I used to play with, that sort of disrespect would rile them up more than meeting the Haka head on.  I'm not sure that's wise :)
Sure it may rile them up but this is all part of the mind games, and each side should get an equal chance to play those mind games.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #253 on: November 01, 2019, 08:09:55 PM »
Which I think is wrong - the haka is highly aggressive and inherently confrontational (just watch it) and it is one way - the opposing side don't get their own opportunity to respond. So I think, in the interests of fairness, that the opposition should be able to do what they want while the haka is ongoing in their own half. And if that means turning their backs, then so be it.
Sure it may rile them up but this is all part of the mind games, and each side should get an equal chance to play those mind games.

I think England should be allowed to do the Morris Dance with the sticks.

However, I think the Haka might have a limited lifetime. Somebody is bound to object given that it is a Maori dance being done by mostly white men partaking in a sport that was imported from the colonial oppressor.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #254 on: November 01, 2019, 08:14:36 PM »
I think England should be allowed to do the Morris Dance with the sticks.
Absolutely - actually perhaps they should be able to do the haka too as they have a significant number of pacific islanders in their team ;) 

However, I think the Haka might have a limited lifetime. Somebody is bound to object given that it is a Maori dance being done by mostly white men partaking in a sport that was imported from the colonial oppressor.
You may be right - it seems somewhat anachronistic and not in keeping with top level professional sport. Also the slightly uncomfortable colonial aspect is certainly there. It feels like something that still sits in the old amateur days of rugby, alongside the Barbarians and the Lions, but that seems ill fitting today.

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« Reply #255 on: November 01, 2019, 08:22:42 PM »
Predictions for tomorrow anybody? I'm a bit nervous that England might choke. I think SA may win.
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« Reply #256 on: November 01, 2019, 08:40:18 PM »
Predictions for tomorrow anybody? I'm a bit nervous that England might choke. I think SA may win.
20 - 10 to England. I get the nerves but can't quite see how Sth Africa win.

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« Reply #257 on: November 01, 2019, 08:52:27 PM »
Predictions for tomorrow anybody? I'm a bit nervous that England might choke. I think SA may win.
Me too.

My head says England win, my heart worries.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #258 on: November 02, 2019, 10:18:14 AM »
This isn't going well

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #259 on: November 02, 2019, 10:19:48 AM »
This isn't going well
stop with the negative vibes man !!!

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #260 on: November 02, 2019, 10:22:54 AM »
Very important kick.





 

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #261 on: November 02, 2019, 10:25:02 AM »
Oooof

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« Reply #262 on: November 02, 2019, 10:25:43 AM »

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« Reply #263 on: November 02, 2019, 10:30:27 AM »
Had to have a toot on my nitro spray 😱

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« Reply #264 on: November 02, 2019, 10:39:12 AM »
That was brilliant

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« Reply #265 on: November 02, 2019, 10:41:50 AM »
That was brilliant
the replay from above , wow !

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #266 on: November 02, 2019, 10:49:36 AM »
Sth Africa done to England what England did to NZ

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« Reply #267 on: November 02, 2019, 10:56:16 AM »
Sth Africa done to England what England did to NZ
as the tears evaporate on my cheeks ,
I can say " I dared to dream "

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #268 on: November 02, 2019, 11:20:14 AM »
First time a country has won the World Cup having lost a match.

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« Reply #269 on: November 02, 2019, 11:52:24 AM »
The best team won. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019
« Reply #270 on: November 02, 2019, 11:57:35 AM »
That interview with Siya Kolisi was beautiful

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« Reply #271 on: November 02, 2019, 07:23:02 PM »
The best team won. ;D ;D ;D

That's true but there's no need to be happy about it.
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« Reply #272 on: November 03, 2019, 11:22:22 AM »
That's true but there's no need to be happy about it.

I couldn't care less who won, having no interest in any sport?
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« Reply #273 on: November 03, 2019, 02:35:26 PM »
I couldn't care less who won, having no interest in any sport?
deep joy 😤

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« Reply #274 on: November 03, 2019, 02:38:04 PM »
I couldn't care less who won, having no interest in any sport?
Why are you posting on this thread then?
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