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All Brexit means is that we are non longer members of the EU - nothing more, nothing less.Being like Norway is a perfectly valid type of Brexit - you might not like it, but it is Brexit all the same, in other words we would no longer be a member of the EU.You do remember what the wording was on the referendum, don't you.So EEA membership would undoubtedly be Brexit - you happy with that?
This reminds me of Biblical interpretation - this passage means X, Y, and Z - and I know this because these are my sincerely held beliefs, and anybody else is wrong.
We might be on the world stage but we are also a defacto part of Europe whether we like it or not, and Europe needs to formulate coherent continent-wide policies, the alternative would be an incoherent mishmash of contradictory national policies, we need to do better than that. We might not like the current Tory government, but we don't just give up on the concept of parliamentary democracy because of that. We stay and make our voices heard through democratic channels.
Brexit light was leaving the EU but keeping access to the single market, Norway style.
There's no plan? Surely not. Didn't Vote Leave have some sort of contingency in case they won?
Actually, it is.
'Unfortunately', as John Donne said many years ago, 'no man is an island' Jack.
We will never be able to survive without some form of connection with the EU or the countries that make it up. As I've said elsewhere, our status as 5th largest economy in the world is heavily dependent on our having been a member of the EEC/EU for the past 40 years. Without a support system like that, it will rapidly slide down the league table. Currently, our GDP is only $0.16 trillion ahead of France, $0.75 trillion ahead of Brazil and $0.86 trillion ahead of Italy. Germany's GDP is some $0.7 trillion ahead of ours.
First of all Nigel and UKIP did see all this outcome as it was talked about months ago on their site. Secondly some official twatish organisation gave the Leave campaign to those wankers Vote.Leave, (not Farage and Leave.EU) so using them as the official stance on the EU is bogus. The whole thing has been a farce, but the outcome of leave will send hope and further referendums across the EU member states.
So they thought about it and failed to control it?
More seriously, I think now you need to push the argument that any new PM should hold an election to cover proposals in a leaving the EU world. Given Labour and the vote there is a chance that those Leavers pissed off by Labour and bits of the Tories, you could get enough seats to have some power. That of course would be helped if your leader had full confidence of even one MP in your party.
And how would they have done that?If I did push for an early GE I would want Art 50 to be triggered first, but my argument is that the government, and new PM, has a mandate from the people to leave the EU and should implement it.
Firstly, what do you mean by Europe? Do you mean the EU? If so, use that term!The mechanisms of the EU are superfluous for our needs. It is like religion, it imposes on the social life with its insane rules and provides nothing but pain and misery. Superfluous stuff needs to be got rid of; flushed down the loo!!!
This is just shallow tabloid speak that pays no heed to the deeper issues. It is a regressive head in the sand attitude to think we can go back to some sort of twentieth century model for Europe with nations disparately putting their national self interest above the greater good. The problems of the modern world are increasingly international, cross-border and global in nature and we need to be able to form coherent policies at all those levels. Nature is no respecter of political boundaries and so we need coherent policy making for things like agriculture, fisheries, environment, energy and climate policy at the very least. Europe also needs to pay attention to its particular problems, which historically have been those of extreme natiionalism and extreme political ideologies. Economic union of the countries of Europe mitigates those risks via the prospect of greater prosperity that flows from elimination of artificial barriers to trade and movements of its people. We seem to have voted in favour of step backwards, possibly setting a trend that gives succour to the inward looking, the myopic, which might please the brain-dead fascist elements who are still there, in numbers, in many European countries.
No it is not. You can't get half divorced!
Sorry but we voted in a referendum that was just about leaving the EU.At the moment we are committed to leaving but have no mandate for how we leave.Your side was not prepared to share how Brexit would work preferring bullshit and sales talkNow the referendum is over The necessary goal now is economic competence.
Vlad, currently, we are not committed to leaving; that commitment can only follow a vote in Parliament and a resultant Act of Parliament. Until then, the referendum result remains an advisory result. With such a small majority to leave, I have a few doubts whether Article 50 will ever be triggered.
At the moment we need to honour the referendum position.
The other "remain" voters are starting to embarrass and annoy me with their whining and attempts to invalidate more than half the countries vote.
I'm swapping sides if this democratic referendum is over turned by people who refuse to accept they lost.
I've heard far more Brexiters trying to explain away the claims they made before the referendum than remainers whinging about the vote. Ironically, it is the Remainers who seem keen to get on with life and make the best of what the referendum has given us.Just out of interest, a referendum is not a democratic tool - especially in a representative democracy such as ours. At best it is a process that takes the temperature of the populace. Brexit cannot occur without an additional democratic process - a vote in favour in the House of Commons.
OK, if I understand it correctly, the 'referendum position' is that a small majority of those who voted want to leave. I'm not sure that that is a good enough position from which to require change. Let's imagine that there is a new general Election before Article 50 is triggered and the victors in that are clearly pro-remain? Do we honour the referendum (non-binding) or the General Election (binding) position?
No quite a number of remain voters are not just getting on with life. The voters were told by the Government that the country would honour the outcome of the vote in the referendum - period!Anyone trying to wheedle their way into having a different outcome , is actually behaving dishonourably.Even David Cameron has been saying that the vote of the people should be honoured.But there seems to be a number of remain supporters that want to overturn that, and that includes on this messageboard.
