Euthanasia and assisted suicide.

[Nearly Sane]

Most of them aren't. As with opposition to abortion, they go public with apparently pragmatic, utilitarian arguments that don't bear much examination, because they know that those are the arguments that might sway the gen. pub., but their real opposition is religious.

That doesn't make them insincere, nor does it justify the lazy othering of them, nor using that as an ad hom rather than make the argument. 

[Enki]

Pleased to see that New Zealand has voted to accept that assisted dying should become legal.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Pleased to see that New Zealand has voted to accept that assisted dying should become legal.

It will be interesting to see if medical professionals are coerced into providing this service.

[Nearly Sane]

It will be interesting to see if medical professionals are coerced into providing this service.

As opposed to being coerced into  watching people suffer in pain when they want to end it?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As opposed to being coerced into  watching people suffer in pain when they want to end it?

Are you saying we should euthenase people in pain or be forced to euthenase people?

[Nearly Sane]

Are you saying we should euthenase people in pain or be forced to euthenase people?

No. But you are saying you want to tell people that they must suffer pain.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No. But you are saying you want to tell people that they must suffer pain.

No, I don't want perfectly serviceable health staff sacked, sued or prosecuted because they won't provide this service.

[Nearly Sane]

And if the profession were to come out against it perhaps the rest of us should seriously think about shutting the fuck up.

You want to tell people suffering pain to shut up.

[Nearly Sane]

No, I don't want perfectly serviceable health staff sacked, sued or prosecuted because they won't provide this service.

Vlad takes making shite up for 1000

[Enki]

It will be interesting to see if medical professionals are coerced into providing this service.

I doubt it. That's why each case will require the support of two doctors.

[Owlswing]

I doubt it. That's why each case will require the support of two doctors.

But, you see, Appalled is not interested in the views of the medical profession, he is only interested in the views of the church derived from the Bible!

[ippy]

And if the profession were to come out against it perhaps the rest of us should seriously think about shutting the fuck up.

It's simple Vlad, if you think assisted suicide is wrong, that's fine, you don't have to go for it, now that's assisted suicide and how you wish to deal with it.

I't's about freedom of choice here, if someone can't bear the pain, or any other extreme discomfort any more and will certainly die whatever happens within say a six month period or so, who are you to tell them whether they can take the choice to go or not, no one is telling you to take assisted suicide.

What gives you the right to choose for others, do you really think that just because you hold some sort of rather vacuous unsupported iron age belief gives you the right to tell others what they can do or not with their lives?

Another area where religion shows just how useless, outmoded and out of touch it is with a realistic and rational world that most of us, here in the UK at least, choose to live in.

ippy.

[Sebastian Toe]

It will be interesting to see if medical professionals are coerced into providing this service.

Are the medical professionals coerced into the current practice of ending some patients life even when those patients cannot and have have not asked them to?

[Steve H]

No, I don't want perfectly serviceable health staff sacked, sued or prosecuted because they won't provide this service.

Have you any firm evidence that medical or nursing staff will be forced to take part, or are you just desperately trying to come up with arguments against it?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Have you any firm evidence that medical or nursing staff will be forced to take part, or are you just desperately trying to come up with arguments against it?

If there is a legal loophole which allows somebody refusing to assist to be pursued in the courts you can bet your whatever someone will pursue it.

[Steve H]

If there is a legal loophole which allows somebody refusing to assist to be pursued in the courts you can bet your whatever someone will pursue it.

What bollocks you do come out with.

[Anchorman]

But, you see, Appalled is not interested in the views of the medical profession, he is only interested in the views of the church derived from the Bible!

Wee point;
There is no express Biblical view on euthanasia.
True, some folk have interpreted tcertain verses to mean something which accords with their view, but there is ambiguity.
Equally, threre is no definate church stance.
For the most part, we think euthanasia without the express permission of the patient and assessment of qualified medics is out, but assisted dying is not so frowened upon.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What bollocks you do come out with.

I believe that like executioners, there should be a subsequent 'trial' after each assisted suicide. Any negligence on the part of euthenisors could perhaps be rewarded with a 'Ten stretch'

[Outrider]

If there is a legal loophole which allows somebody refusing to assist to be pursued in the courts you can bet your whatever someone will pursue it.

Like all those registrars and vicars who have been sued for not officiating at gay peoples' weddings, you mean?

O.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Like all those registrars and vicars who have been sued for not officiating at gay peoples' weddings, you mean?

O.

More like Bakers who dont bake cakes with certain things on them.

[jeremyp]

I believe that like executioners, there should be a subsequent 'trial' after each assisted suicide. Any negligence on the part of euthenisors could perhaps be rewarded with a 'Ten stretch'

I think it would be better to have the "trial" before the assisted suicide. That way, if it turns out that the assisted suicide would be illegal, nobody is dead and nobody needs to go to prison, at least not for murder.

[ippy]

If there is a legal loophole which allows somebody refusing to assist to be pursued in the courts you can bet your whatever someone will pursue it.

You've been outvoted in every poll on this subject Vlad, isn't it about time you gave it a rest, all the polls I've seen are in the eighty percentages, grow up.

ippy.

[Steve H]

You've been outvoted in every poll on this subject Vlad, isn't it about time you gave it a rest, all the polls I've seen are in the eighty percentages, grow up.

ippy.

I'm firmly with the 80%, but that is a dodgy argument. Being popular doesn't make something right.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think it would be better to have the "trial" before the assisted suicide. That way, if it turns out that the assisted suicide would be illegal, nobody is dead and nobody needs to go to prison, at least not for murder.

Good point but having a trial prior to the event is legally unprecedented.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You've been outvoted in every poll on this subject Vlad, isn't it about time you gave it a rest, all the polls I've seen are in the eighty percentages, grow up.

ippy.

I didn't realise there was a poll on the possible illegality of or culpability of refusing Euthenasia /assisted suicide.

Perhaps you can reference it.