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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2375 on: August 22, 2025, 08:34:24 PM »

That was sort of my point, you were referring to a fundamentally different social, economic, political and technological paradigm.
You seem to be saying that surrender is not an option; I'm saying that from a moral perspective it is an option, if we take the Bible, in particular what Jeremiah said, as the moral standard.
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2376 on: August 22, 2025, 08:40:42 PM »
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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2377 on: August 22, 2025, 09:25:38 PM »
For reference: Jeremiah 27. In particular v11-12:
But any nation that will bring its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serve him, I will leave on its own land, to work it and dwell there, declares the Lord.
To Zedekiah king of Judah I spoke in like manner: "Bring your necks under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him and his people and live."

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2378 on: August 22, 2025, 10:11:28 PM »
For reference: Jeremiah 27. In particular v11-12:
But any nation that will bring its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serve him, I will leave on its own land, to work it and dwell there, declares the Lord.
To Zedekiah king of Judah I spoke in like manner: "Bring your necks under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him and his people and live."

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Re: Arming the Ukrainians
« Reply #2379 on: August 28, 2025, 08:53:42 AM »
You seem to be saying that surrender is not an option; I'm saying that from a moral perspective it is an option, if we take the Bible, in particular what Jeremiah said, as the moral standard.

Yet more evidence that you appear to struggle with reading for understanding. I've never suggested for a moment that Ukrainian surrender was not an option, but I've pointed out that both morally and pragmatically it's a problematic strategy. In the short-term it rewards Putin's aggressive expansionist imperialism, and in the long-term it gives Putin time and freedom to rearm and plan his next invasion.

As for Jeremiah, why would I give even half a shit what he had to say, given that even if they are an accurate representation of his words, he was existing in a fundamentally different political, social, economic and military paradigm? At least if you were to suggest Sun Tzu's 'Art of War' it would be directly relevant, or von Clausewitz's 'Vom Kriege' it'd only be from the last millennium.

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